How much pollution is created from making the batteries and disposing of them when they are dead?
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I got sucked down the youtube hole last night with How Its Made. The > episode with LiOn car batteries was dated, but mentions something like a 70k > mile life in auto usage. Maybe the things are better now. Short drives of > under a few hundred miles would get you a decade or so of useable life. Is > that the MTBF for EV or effective life cycle for these cars? > > Lead Acid battery recycles ad infinitum. How easy is it to reprocess LiOn? > And when you run out of Lithium salts? Then what? > > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, > about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of > self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Something I just thought of: LiON batteries have a limited number of >> charge/discharge cycles. I wonder if using them as surge power for the grid >> would limit the lifespan.Presumably not draining them significantly would >> minimize the problem but I certainly wouldn't be down for having my car's >> battery life limited because PG&E can't be bothered to upgrade it's >> infrastructure. >> Of course upgraded infrastructure will result in higher rates for consumers. >> It has to, that money has to come from somewhere. >> I'm a fan of electric cars, they're fun to drive. If you haven't driven one >> you really should. Even the Nissan Leaf is pretty fun. I'm not a fan of the >> hype (and frankly, lies from both sides) surrounding electric cars. >> One last thought: Electric cars are good for those of us who are fans of ICE >> vehicles, more gasoline/diesel fuel for us... >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:06:54 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> The inverter does not need to be in the car any more than the inverter >> needs to be in the solar panel. Inverters are cheap. >> >> I am sure there are considerable technical hurdles to overcome with the >> program, but none of them look insurmountable. Except perhaps the >> regulatory environment. >> >> I think some of these new fast chargers are going to need batteries to be >> able to provide the sort of current they require without overloading >> transmission lines. >> >> Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and >> you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the >> calculation >> >> 99% of our driving is less than 50 miles. And it is warm here of course. >> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:02 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2020-09-30 19:50, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >>>> Anybody with a 50a 240v dryer outlet can charge an electric car. >>>> >>>> If solar panels can run hour meter backward, so can a battery. >>> >>> >>> If you put an inverter in the car so it can generate 60hz AC. >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
