Of course we are back on the plane, I saw them swap out air carts, fired it up 
for a bit then shut it down as they all stand around shaking their heads. What 
do you bet this flight gets cancelled. 

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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> wrote:
> 
> Yep. We deplaned for close to 2 hours, now we are back on but looks like 
> they are still using the air cart to start the engines. I’m just going to 
> STL, if I would have driven I would have been getting there about now. As it 
> stands I won’t get in till 9pm. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> American?
>> 
>> So much for any connections.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well the flight is now delayed an hour while they “secure” the APU. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Very rare to lose both engines in flight. So rare as "not supposed to 
>>>> happen in the service life of the aircraft" if it were to happen it would 
>>>> be from something like contaminated fuel, a significant maintenance error, 
>>>> or massive foreign object ingestion in both engines. If an engine flames 
>>>> out at altitude I believe the windmilling from the airstream gives it 
>>>> enough rotation for a relight, though I stand to be corrected. Aircraft 
>>>> can generally depart with the APU inop so it is not critical for any 
>>>> anticipated in-flight emergencies.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Well they just rolled the air cart over and fired up the engines. Without 
>>>>> an APU one engine can start the other, but with both dead mid air and no 
>>>>> APU, I would only hope the airflow would be enough to spin them up. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think they would need the starter to do an airstart if the 
>>>>>> engine is spinning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was on a flight once that had the BSOD on the control system, they 
>>>>>> rebooted the whole airplane 3X (start, shutdown, start...) then put us 
>>>>>> off to go find another airplane.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/20/21 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> Of course they can start the engines with the ground APU but I assume 
>>>>>>> if they lost both engines in flight they would have no way to start 
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Never had this happen before. We pushed back, tug unhooked and plane 
>>>>>>>> lost all power, completely dead. No lights no AC no engines. I 
>>>>>>>> immediately think they lost the APU. Sure enough pilot comes on and 
>>>>>>>> says we lost the “backup” power to start the engines. Now being towed 
>>>>>>>> back to the gate. Guess we will need a jumpstart.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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