So far not so good. Been back on the plane 30 minutes in the 100 degree heat, I 
don’t think their air cart is up to the task. You can hear the engines try to 
spin up but then falls flat like not enough air pressure. 

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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Of course we are back on the plane, I saw them swap out air carts, fired it 
> up for a bit then shut it down as they all stand around shaking their heads. 
> What do you bet this flight gets cancelled.
> 
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>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep. We deplaned for close to 2 hours, now we are back on but looks like 
>> they are still using the air cart to start the engines. I’m just going to 
>> STL, if I would have driven I would have been getting there about now. As it 
>> stands I won’t get in till 9pm. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> American?
>>> 
>>> So much for any connections.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well the flight is now delayed an hour while they “secure” the APU. 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very rare to lose both engines in flight. So rare as "not supposed to 
>>>>> happen in the service life of the aircraft" if it were to happen it would 
>>>>> be from something like contaminated fuel, a significant maintenance 
>>>>> error, or massive foreign object ingestion in both engines. If an engine 
>>>>> flames out at altitude I believe the windmilling from the airstream gives 
>>>>> it enough rotation for a relight, though I stand to be corrected. 
>>>>> Aircraft can generally depart with the APU inop so it is not critical for 
>>>>> any anticipated in-flight emergencies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Well they just rolled the air cart over and fired up the engines. 
>>>>>> Without an APU one engine can start the other, but with both dead mid 
>>>>>> air and no APU, I would only hope the airflow would be enough to spin 
>>>>>> them up. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think they would need the starter to do an airstart if the 
>>>>>>> engine is spinning.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was on a flight once that had the BSOD on the control system, they 
>>>>>>> rebooted the whole airplane 3X (start, shutdown, start...) then put us 
>>>>>>> off to go find another airplane.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/20/21 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Of course they can start the engines with the ground APU but I assume 
>>>>>>>> if they lost both engines in flight they would have no way to start 
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Never had this happen before. We pushed back, tug unhooked and plane 
>>>>>>>>> lost all power, completely dead. No lights no AC no engines. I 
>>>>>>>>> immediately think they lost the APU. Sure enough pilot comes on and 
>>>>>>>>> says we lost the “backup” power to start the engines. Now being towed 
>>>>>>>>> back to the gate. Guess we will need a jumpstart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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