Thanks Tom!! Very helpful - Now I understand. Take Care --
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again > Larry, > > SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as > a > standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster. The > mechanicals in a SCSI drive are usually faster but these are also more > expensive, commercial drives. > > You will get a performance boost because cache reads will be much faster. > Hopefully your new drive also has a 16 MB cache which will also help with > performance. Also, you need to look at the drive jumper settings. Some of > the SATA/300 drives ship pre-jumpered for the SATA/150 standard. > > The heat issue from some newer drives comes from the continuous push for > performance. Decreasing seek time (increasing head travel speed) and > increasing platter RPM all add up to more heat being generated by the > drive > motor, the linear head motor and the drive circuitry. In other words, the > same mechanics behind any interface causes the same issue. > > SCSI drives get hot too and for the same reason. But commercial SCSI drive > bays are designed with plenty of air circulation and the heat is pulled > away. This is one reason most servers have the drives mounted out front & > room air is pulled past the drives on the way through the case. The other > reason is to give the ability to hot swap a drive. > > Problems occur when you install higher performing drives in a desktop > because they usually sit behind the front cover where there is poor air > circulation. And it does not help that some cases pull their CPU cooling > air > in from the side cover, making up for all of the air being pulled out of > the > case by the power supply and completely eliminating any airflow through > the > front cover. > > But the solution is really simple. Most if not all good cases come with > mounting holes in the front for a fan and you just need to mount a fan > there, pointing to the drives. Pull the front cover off your box & I > suspect > that you will find 4 small mounting holes punched in the front sheet > metal. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of LarryT > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:16 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again > > Thx Tom, > I presently have 2 HDs in my desktop - last time I opend the sace I saw > the > Mobo has power/data cables for a SATA drive - which makes adding another > HD > easier since the mobo supports SATA. > > I bought a 350gb SATA for a external encl for less than $60 recently - I > may > > do something similar in my desktop. FOrtunately my desktop has lots of > cooling fans - 3 IIRC - 4 counting the one on the processor. (2 in the > PS, > 1 in the back of the cab) so I hope heat will not be a problem. My PS is > "Smart" in that it monitors the temp and changes the speed of the fan when > needed. > > Any downside to a SATA? Does it have slower seek speed, for instance? > > Thx for the info - appreciate it -- > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again > > >> SATA is a different interface but they support 100% of the ATA command >> set. >> And because they use a different interface, you will not be able to plug >> one >> into a ATA drive cable. >> >> But you can buy a SATA card & cable if you are looking for a data drive. >> Look for a drive that supports the SATA 2 (SATA/300) standard with a 16 >> MB >> cache for best performance. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of LarryT >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:40 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again >> >> Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- trying to >> understand the difference between the 2 although I have gone to a >> computer >> glossary - it won;t tell me what it is/is not compatible with. Presently >> I'm using a 350 GB SATA as a external data storage drive for my laptop -- >> works great although it puts out a lot of heat. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Thx -- >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again >> >> >>>I typically recommend Dell to any consumers that ask >>> me about computers. Mainly because it's highly >>> unlikely they will care about upgrading, and Dell's >>> customer support is still waayyy up the charts >>> compared to anyone else. >>> >>> For $1000 you can get a really nice Dell configured >>> the way you want it. As far as major component >>> standardization, like motherboards, if that's a >>> concern for the future, you have no business buying a >>> consumer machine. >>> >>> I would caution the average computer user to stay away >>> from enterprise grade stuff, like older servers. >>> They're large, consume massive amounts of power, and >>> aren't always easily upgradable if, for example, you >>> need an extra hard drive sled for that RAID array. >>> Memory is often weird, as well (the Dell 220/2400 >>> series is a good example of that.) >>> >>> We still have boatloads of Compaq servers running in >>> the school district, and while they are truly >>> workhorses that just churn away day after day with >>> minimal attention, they're no the sort of box I would >>> want next to my desk at home. >>> >>> And Tom - if I had $10 for every Dell 2200/2400 I >>> retired in the last year, I would have a nice load of >>> cash. These used to be our standard for member >>> servers at our sites, but have been getting replaced >>> with HP Prolineant ML150s and blade servers. Blades >>> are slowly taking the place of most of our enterprise >>> level stuff. >>> >>> MacDan >>> >>> >>> -- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> All depends on what you are going to use the system >>>> for. >>>> >>>> I always buy Dell mid grade machines loaded with XP >>>> Pro for my clients. I >>>> know that there is a lot of anti-Dell sentiment our >>>> there but of the 100s I >>>> have turned on, I've had one DOA and no failures >>>> during the first year. At >>>> least none that were not operator error! I have had >>>> issues with RAM & drives >>>> later but these can't be blamed on dell. They are >>>> using the same plug-in >>>> parts as everyone else. >>>> >>>> As far as servers go, I buy Dell or HP. But these >>>> are true servers, not >>>> desktop machines running server software. They are a >>>> different class of >>>> machine, ultra reliable & very fast. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ >> ________ >>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>> Find them fast with Yahoo! 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