Like I said, I'm a small time collector, I've visited all the seller's at Tucson. This year I actually was at Anne Black and Nokins suite when who do you think I'm standing next to but Chicago Steve! He says to the in the crowd "I'm Steve Arnold, one of the two". and I say "oh, you're Chicago Steve" He looks at me and says Who are you? And I say, nobody, just know you from the List! Steve is a bafooon!! Thanks! Even though may wife thinks Farmer is a pompas ass (me too, in a nice way). I'm happy she can go with me to Tucson. Steve...Why make an ass out of yourself?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blood" <mlbl...@cox.net> To: "Erik Fisler" <erikfw...@msn.com>; "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:10 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa 1794
My, my, my.
What an interesting disgusting....er, I mean
Discussion.......
Michael
From: Erik Fisler <erikfw...@msn.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:15:07 -0700 To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa1794 you know what I meant Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:13:01 -0700From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa1794 Erik, You just told me not to stand up for what I believe in. So you're telling me to stop standing up for what I believe in, because, you say, telling people to not stand up for what they believe in - doing that is wrong. Of course, the implications of your statement are interesting. If we all followed that logic, whoever spoke first in any situation would be simply infallible. Anyone who disagreed, standing up for what they believed in, would be telling someone that they couldn't believe what they wanted to. Wouldn't that be an interesting world. At any rate, Erik, I say they have the right to block Steve, just as Steve has the right to post. In fact, by your own reasoning, because Steve must have sent a message to the list before someone criticized him for doing so (logic), the people who harass him are really just keeping (or *trying* to keep) Steve from 'standing up for what he believes in.' So they're still the wrong ones by your reasoning, because he must have preceded his naysayers. I'm advocating free speech in the sense that I believe that these people are merely being hypocritical. They've been annoying the lot of us for ten years trying to get him to stop. I'm saying that they should stop sending me messages, because I don't like their insults and nasty messages. Furthermore, they could accomplish their collective goal of abolishing Steve from their inboxes by simply blocking him. It seems obvious to me, at this juncture, that they really just like harassing someone in public and being able to get away with it. I'm sure you've met some bullies in your time - welcome to the meteorite list. Jason P.S. It also seems to me that your message lacks 'valor.' On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Erik Fisler wrote:Alright Jason, you have stated your opinion now respectfully drop it, or continue to say the same thing over and over in different words... Standing up for what you believe is important and no one should ever listen to anyone who says to not even bother to stand up for what they believe or to give up. That is WRONG. [Erik]Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:18:06 -0700 From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa 1794 Bill, I have never asked for, nor received one of his freebies, though I will admit to having purchased meteorites from him at more than reasonable prices. But you apparently have a problem with someone giving away meteorites on a regular basis, and with someone who doesn't use a sense of business typical of most meteorite dealers. But that's my point, really. I've been here, on this list, for eleven years, and, to be perfectly frank, you're the problem, not him. He's not the person who turns people away from the hobby; it's mean-spirited people like you who make others feel unwelcome. His posts have never been derogatory. Ill-conceived, maybe. Lacking foresight, probably in many cases. - But malevolent, like yours, never. Many people have many things to thank him for, including great deals and free space rocks for some of the less-well-off collectors. But he posts too many messages for you. I'll say it again - third time's the charm, right? Block him if you have an issue. I know for a fact that Hotmail has that function. I actually disagree with Mark on this; the list really hasn't changed all that much in the time I've been here. A number of old-timers have moved on, and there -are- a much greater number of newcomers has arrived in the past few years, but the same old bickering goes on, and on, and on. You're just the next person to take up the anti-Steve mantle. If you look back in the archives, that's something you will actually find. If the list is suffering, it's not from him; he's been a constant here for a decade, and this list has yet to collapse in upon itself. The list remains *the* list, and I've yet to hear of someone actually leaving the list because of Steve. If they have, well, I'm sad that they didn't find the block button sooner. If you look back at the archives, people typically leave because of this godawful bickering. The stuff you're doing. The only reason I feel it might do some good is because it really has been getting worse lately - and I figure it might be worth pointing out that block function to you lot. Elton's argument really is ridiculous, in retrospect. He likely bought something from Steve at a rock-bottom price and is now harassing him, having just benefitted from Steve's...unorthodox business techniques. Glaringly hypocritical, and talk about good faith. As though he really expected Steve to leave anyways. If he did, well, I think it shows something about his own intelligence. Jason On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:54 PM, bill kies wrote:Good Spirit? Never Derogatory? Generally meteorite related? Are youtalking about sSteve? You must be one of his freebie zombies or waiting like so many others to benefit from his erratic business sense. Please doa history check and drop the subject. ----------------------------------------Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:34:07 -0700 From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa 1794 Bill,You are breaking list policy as much as he is in posting as you do, ifnot more. His posts do break the suggested limit for posts in a giventime period, but they are always in good spirit, never derogatory, andare generally meteorite-related. Get off your high-horses and accept the fact that no matter how wrong he is, you're stooping to below his level in posting as you do. If you wanted Art to take action, you should have messaged him, not me. I don't think I'm wrong in assuming that the rest of the folks out there share that sentiment. If we had a problem with Steve, we would have blocked him. As could you. The fact that you haven't seems to suggest that you like the opportunity to harass him. And you call him annoying. I won't criticize or support him; I personally don't care for or dislike his messages. They're there, and your posts aren't going to change that. You're the one with the ability to change, to take the higher road. Mark, I know, but I think it's obvious enough, almost a decade down the line, that things are not going to change. This has been going on for, well, combine world the first and second world wars. That's about how long.Longer than the occupation of Iraq, and half the length of the VietnamWar. You'd think that, at some point, people would begin to understand the futility of their own actions. And at some point, I would think it prudent for certain people torealize that the effort they take to spearhead this effort against himis really done for the sake of hundreds of people who couldn't care less. And the level to which they take action against him for being, what amounts to at worst, a simpleton, is beyond me. Litigiousness inthe sense Elton seems to be advocating is, in my mind, much worse than anything Steve has ever done - and, given the past, considerably worsethan what he seems capable of doing. Jason On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:Without taking any sides pro or con re the particulars of Steve's actions:There's a brick wall there, and no matter how long you persist in throwing yourselves against it, it's not budging, regardless of howright (or wrong) you are in doing so. You're not going to change him,or the situation in general.What a sad state of affairs Jason has described regarding the status ofthebiggest meteorite list in the world - no matter which side of the fenceyou are on. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa 1794Hola, I would again like to point out that, even though his posts may be repetitive and annoying to some - maybe even most - of the list-members who have yet to block him (you might give it a try if you're so annoyed), well, the simple fact of the matter is that asingle one of his posts just elicited four utterly negative responses.I *still* find it hypocritical that you lot insist on spamming more than he does. I recall saying at least a few years ago - you're not going to stop him, and going about it the way you are - or any way, really, isn't going to do anything. I was apparently right. There's a brick wall there, and no matter how long you persist in throwing yourselves against it, it's not budging, regardless of howright (or wrong) you are in doing so. You're not going to change him,or the situation in general. Why not give the rest of us a bit of arespite from the constant haranguing and leave him be, eh? One fifththe spam would be nice. Jason On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:26 PM, bill kies wrote:Mr. Tate, At a glance this situation might look silly but April 1st or not, sStevehas been entertaining himself at the expense of this list for almost adecade. People can only tolerate so much. We, list members, have managed thebad taste and poor humor well enough. Don't rush to judgement unlessyou'veread the archives extensively and understand what this fellow is allabout. 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