Yeah, that's why we aren't too keen on it. It's a shame.. seen two that were both good, 40x60x14 insulated and steel interior walls pole barn for one on 10 acres, 30x60x10 + 12x20x8 hip roof on the other on 3 acres. The houses were good fits too, nice layouts and had some character.
Doing a house-a-thon Saturday, going to hit 7 places hopefully... couple with 30x40 sheds. :) I have hopes for some of them, we shall see! Wallyman From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Bennett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:10 PM Cc: MiataPower Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Wally's future Garage-Mahal Just an FYI, national average closing time on a short sale is over 17 weeks. That's 17 weeks after you write the contract. So you'd better be getting a heck of a deal to want to get involved with one of those. Also the odds of closing are 50% of the odds of closing with a traditional sale. That simply means the lender usually has conditions or terms the buyer doesn't discover till later in the process and they decide to back out or the wait time is too much for people. On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mark Cookson wrote: I used copper for my hard lines because I had a friend in the plumbing business (trade for letting him use the garage to do stuff). Used the thick wall stuff, good to like 600PSI. Way more than was needed, but damn it looked cool. Put a drip line with dump valve below each air fitting. The moisture never made it past the compressor, but just in case. That was in CA. I can imagine moisture getting farther along the lines in MI. Doing it again I would have used 45 degree fittings for the air connections to attach to so that they point down. Having them point straight out was OK, but took up more space and worried me about breaking one off while moving stuff around. Mark On Oct 13, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Helsel, Walt wrote: Lights - agree on cold start ballasts, the cheapos from HD/Lowes die after a winter or two. I work with a few electricians who can get me decent pricing on some nice ones. I struggled with the best way to do them last time, and went with 2 x 4' along the sides, one over the hood area and then separate over the workbench. Air plumbing, agreed. I have a hose reel in the center of the 24x24 now, plus a loose hose to drag around as needed. What piping would you use, PVC, black pipe or copper? I've heard pros and cons for each.... Looked at a nice 30d x 60'w x 10'+ hip roof barn last night (oh, there was a house there too).. short sale, so not sure it fits the bill. 4 stalls, concrete.. a nice plain slate to start with but the short sale means no immediate occupancy so shying away from it unfortunately. It had 'cool' factor, and size was nice.. I liked the 4 wide by 30' setup, too. It's still a possibility but not very likely. The garage is a workshop for motor-driven items, buddies do come over on occasion (20% of the time maybe?). I want it to look nice but it's not a museum. Painted walls and floor (light reflectivity and clean up considerations).. I should take some pics of my current 2 stall before I pack it up as a reference. Plywood walls, good idea. Having struggled with mounting things that would be handy... or at least along the workbench/storage walls. I did drywall in my current but no paint and it has yellowed and was a pain to mount things too and hit studs. Power - amen! In a 24x24, I had 5 per wall (3 high, 2 low... something a buddy told me to do and I love.. high ones for grinders and the like, low for fans and vacs). Workbench is 6' and has 6 (switched). I also did 4 in the ceiling, next to the hose reel. 8' ceiling allows me to plug in trouble lights high and route anywhere I need them, with a high bay a cord reel will have to be used but is a nice plan. I see the benefit of having them. Casters - I put all my big stuff on them, too. Band saw, drill press, table saw, rolling cart... makes it nice to roll it outside if I want to make a huge mess cutting, etc. With a bigger garage that may be less required, I hope. Internet and phone, both necessities.. the PC is mounted on the wall in a TV mount so you can swivel it as needed to read specs, parts shop, whatever.. love that. Dampened Air Comp box, yeah, I have an older Ing-Rand 5hp that is loud as nuts when it runs. I was concerned with heat and ventilation tho so I need to do some research before I do that. A buddy has a 40x72, and he put the Air comp on the storage side and piped it into the work bay.. you can't even hear it run. Good ideas, guys.. and the garage forum, nice! Some great inspirational photos over there... Keep it coming! Wallyman From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Cardell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:31 PM To: Wiseman, Curtis J Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Wally's future Garage-Mahal Light is critical. spend a few extra bucks and get ballasts that work in the cold, unless you will be heated all the time. Otherwise you'll be buying new lights every year. Bill Cardell TurboDog's Dad Www.flyinmiata.com<http://Www.flyinmiata.com> 1-800-fly-mx5s 970-464-5600 On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:55 PM, "Wiseman, Curtis J" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Mark has some great ideas, especially for Northern climes (porous floor, plywood). It's sort of like when somebody asks which FI system is best. The choir chimes in to ask "how do you plan to use it?" Is your garage a work space, a man-cave, a mother-in-law suite? Do you have buddies over or work by yourself? Do you care what it looks like or just how it functions? Generic suggestion though: LOTS of light. You can always turn some off if you want, but lots and lots of fluorescent fixtures make it easier on aging eyes to see that @#*%$# fitting. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Mark Cookson Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:36 PM To: Ken Bogart Cc: Miatapower ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Wally's future Garage-Mahal Two things that I did that I really liked in my first garage: Covered the walls in 3/8 plywood instead of drywall (mount anything anywhere without worry) Ran hard lines with air fittings about every 15' (about 8 connections) and had two retractable reels on the ceiling for instant use; one air, one electric. I also have a wash basin (but only cold water, might consider a small hot water heater) and more power outlets than you can shake a stick at, including one in the middle of the floor for the table saw. My second garage has Internet and TV, and the previous owner had flexible air lines that he took when he sold it. Making a good sound dampening box for the air compressor would be high on my list too. I currently want to do something like those plastic floor tiles that raise you up a quarter of an inch to let snow and water drain below the working surface. A lift or pit would be ideal, but my roof is too low and tearing up my floor isn't really in the cards. Enjoy! Mark Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Ken Bogart <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: When I build mine.. I want the following: - 2-post lift bay - a walled and drained wash bay - a work bay (machine tools, work bench) - a room for hanging out with couch, tv, bar, bathroom - open indoor area to park at least 6 cars - a storage/parts area (in a loft?) I figure this would have to be at least 2500sf or larger... Ken Bogart ----------------------------------------------------- 96 Montego Blue FFS Coldside (His) 97 Black & Tan (Hers) 90 Crystal White (sons) ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.miatacare.com http://www.cincimiata.com http://www.bcchallenger.org MiataMail.com<http://MiataMail.com> list owner On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Helsel, Walt <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So, moving to a new home.. going to have either an existing or built pole building for the car-addiction. Looking for those of you with Garage-Mahals to chime in. Right now I am working out of a 2 stall garage 24x24x8. Workbench in the front on a 5' deep raised stoop, wood heated, partially insulated. There is not enough width for working on cars with crap along walls (crap being a parts washer, bench grinder, shelving, etc) and it's fairly crowded with all the big stuff (woodstove, engine hoist, engine stand, blast cabinet, drill press, band saw, table saw, 3 welders, etc) that is all roaming the space. So, looking for suggestions and advice from those of you that have dedicated hobby space... Things you would do again Things you regret doing Layout suggestions Storage ideas Workbench ideas (location, layout, etc) Anything else you think might be useful. I would love to go to a 2 post lift down the road so I want at least one high bay for that, but for now I'm thinking something like this: 28'w x 40 (or 48')'l x 14'h 2 stalls wide, with workshop in the front (away from the doors) 2 overhead doors on short end, 1 mandoor, some windows of some variety for light. Concrete floor and approach 220v electric Water if I am lucky Insulated and heated (Michigan winters) Will be wired for music, internet and phone as well. So, toss your ideas out.. I'm game to start figuring out how to set up the future work space! Wallyman This e-mail and any attachments contain URS Corporation confidential information that may be proprietary or privileged. 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