Could this be an attempt to get from 180 to 240 ETOPs?
---------------------------------------- *From: *Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <[email protected]> *To: *Mifnet <[email protected]> *CC: *Karl L. Swartz <[email protected]> *Date: *2025-09-26T05:58:10Z *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 74329] Re: AA empty flights > AA didn’t use an A321XLR for the "qualification” flights so that’s not it. > > As I noted, AA already has ETOPS-180 for the A321 for Hawaii, though only a > subset of their fleet is ETOPS qualified. (In contrast, so far as I know, all > of United’s current 737 fleet is ETOPS qualified.) > > True, northern and western European destinations do not */require/* ETOPS > from the northeastern US, but it’s painful to do non-ETOPS. > >  -- Karl > >> On Sep 25, 2025, at 10:39 PM, Tom Ronell via Mifnet >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Pethaps, since they were flying only to northern and western European >> destinations, they did not require ETOPS, as American does in order to go >> further south across the Atlantic. Or maybe they already had ETOPS >> qualification with those types from Hawaii and Caribbean/LatAm operations, >> respectively. >> >> A321XLR may be considered a new airframe/engine combination from A321, for >> ETOPS purposes. >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> *From: *Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet <[email protected]> >> *To: *Mifnet <[email protected]> >> *CC: *Karl L. Swartz <[email protected]> >> *Date: *2025-09-26T05:07:07Z >> *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 74327] Re: AA empty flights >> >>> I’d dismiss this story as nonsense had it not been published by reliable >>> sources, rather than Simpleton Flying. >>> >>> It still doesn’t make sense. United didn’t do anything like this when they >>> started flying the 737 MAX most of the way across the Atlantic. Neither did >>> JetBlue with their A321 flying to Europe. >>> >>> ETOPS-proving might make sense, except AA already has 180-minute ETOPS on >>> the A321 (for Hawaii)—and it didn’t stop them from flying a non-ETOPS A321 >>> to Hawaii a decade ago: >>> >>> https://onemileatatime.com/oops-american-accidentally-flies-wrong-plane-to-hawaii/ >>> >>> This whole thing baffles me. >>> >>>  -- Karl >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2025, at 9:45 PM, Tom Ronell via Mifnet >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> They have to gain ETOPS approval for the new aircraft type. Didn't >>>> Southwest have to do same when initiating Hawaii flights? >>>> >>>> TR >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> *From: *Mike Borfitz via Mifnet <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *CC: *Mike Borfitz <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *2025-09-26T02:41:26Z >>>> *Subject: *[Mifnet 🛰 74325] Re: AA empty flights >>>> >>>>> It could be ETOPS proving or validation unless they already have it. Does >>>>> anybody know if AA has that approval? >>>>> >>>>> Mike Borfitz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2025, 10:02 PM ERIC Smith via Mifnet >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> … >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Revised: 20250507 >>>> >>>> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >>>> >>>> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >>>> exactly cost-free. 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