Well put, Joe.
One think I would add, don't withhold information. If you want list
members to help, don't make us guess what you have, tell us as much of
the configuration as you know. You will get quicker, more concise
answers that way.
On 12/22/2014 9:45 AM, Joe Miller wrote:
Tim,
It is not a matter of being rude. If you are working in this space
(networking), it is implied that you already know how to subnet IP
addresses. I have been watching this thread go on for a while now and
I have to say that if you are this thin skinned, maybe you may want to
find something else to do for a living.
You will find some users here harsh at times, and this is because you
haven’t done your own research first. There is plenty of information
on the web to teach you about IP’s and subnet’s. here is one I use a
lot, http://www.aelius.com/njh/subnet_sheet.html it is a subnet cheat
sheet. When I first got into this business, I bought a book called
“Subnetting for Dummies” and I bought Dennis’ book.
You will get folks here popping off when you tell them you have a /13
subnet when actually it is a /27. This in itself speaks volumes as to
how much you understand about subnets. This is the reason for the
reference material they gave you. This was not being rude, period.
The whole point on this is do your own research and then ask
questions, not ask questions and then do the research. No one here is
going to do the work for you. We will help you along the way but we
will not carry the water for you. We all have companies to run and
employees to deal with.
I personally will be willing to help you, but you have better have
done your research first. This is how 99% of us are.
So, put your big boy pants on and get to work.
Joe Miller
www.dslbyair.com
www.facebook.com/dslbyair
228-831-8881
“I can explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you.”
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
*Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 5:15 AM
*To:* 'Mikrotik Users'
*Subject:* Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
Wow…. You all don’t have to be rude…..
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bryce Duchcherer
*Sent:* Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:50 PM
*To:* Mikrotik Users
*Subject:* Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
“Networking All-In-One For Dummies”
http://www.amazon.ca/Networking-All---One-Dummies-Doug/dp/1118380983/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419223262&sr=8-1&keywords=networking+for+dummies
Also, for people new to MikroTik Dennis Burgess’ book Learn RouterOS
has lots of good information in it.
http://www.amazon.ca/Learn-RouterOS-Edition-Dennis-Burgess-ebook/dp/B005OY0JJY
He also has video’s on his website that you can download from training
sessions.
Greg Sowell has lots of videos on YouTube that cover many thinks in
RouterOS – they are definitely worth checking out.
I highly recommend if you can, spend the money and go to training
courses, they are worth every penny.
Bryce Duchcherer
NETAGO
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *RickG
*Sent:* December 21, 2014 7:02 PM
*To:* Mikrotik Users
*Subject:* Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
http://bit.ly/1ClPQ1f
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
A /13 provides 524,286 usable IPs (before further subnetting).
I think people in this thread need to find a "Routing for dummies"
(no name calling intended) book or video. This is all networking
101 stuff that people either have completely wrong or are clueless
about.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"tim2" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Mikrotik Users" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 6:36:06 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
You have a /13 or a /28 which provides 14 usable ip, s. 1 is for
gateway and the other is your primary router. To control your
traffic your customer gateway is the IP on your router.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Scott Reed
Date:12/20/2014 3:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Mikrotik Users
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
The one they gave you is critical. The fact that you did not use
it is
probably an indication of why are are needing help with this. The
list
is not the place to give a full IP routing tutorial, but you need
to use
the .240, which also a /28 and has 16 address, 14 of which can be
used
by devices. The remainder of the 256 block space can be divided and
used however you want.
So, assuming that your are using the first 16 addresses, you could
put 8
address somewhere on your network by putting a.b.c.17/29 on a router
port. That becomes the gateway address for devices that connect
to that
port. In OSPF you will tell it to redistribute connected routes
and you
will put a.b.c.16/29 in the Network section.
On 12/20/2014 3:03 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> Scott
>
> If you want the actual subnet the upstream provider gave me was
> 255.255.255.240 but I put in 255.255.255.0
>
> Which I have block of /13 which only 12 useable ips since the 13^th
> one is upstream provider gateway IP.
>
> Tim
>
> *From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:56 PM
> *To:* Mikrotik Users
> *Subject:* Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
>
> Routing works by one device knowing the next device to send a
packet
> to. So the upstream knows that all of you addresses get sent to
the
> one on your gateway. The provider's devices don't care how the
data
> gets to the destination, just that it goes to your router. Your
OSPF
> will tell your headend router how to get the data to the end point.
> So, to fully answer your question, you need to answer the one I
have
> asked you several times. What is the subnet mask our your headend
> router connecting to the upstream? Give us that and we can quit
> surmising what you might do and give you a how to do it.
>
> Also, from one of your comments, you can tell OSPF whether or
not to
> propagate your static routers.
>
> On 12/20/2014 2:09 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> @ Scott
> Addresses come in pPowers of 2, so you probably have 16
addresses
> in the block. So, need to know what subnet mask you use to
> connect. If you are using a /29 or /30, the rest can be located
> anywhere on the network. Let OSPF do the work. If you are using
> the /28 to connect, you will either need to get your provider to
> change it or get the rest of the addresses so you can subnet
them.
>
> How many addresses do you want at the "remote" site?
>
> Let's say you have a block of 16, a /28. You can have a block of
> 8, a /29, at the headend and connected to the provider.
Then you
> can have 8 more somewhere else on the network. As long as
you put
> the address in OSPF correctly, the 8 addresses from the second
> half can be anywhere on your network and OSPF will get them
routed
>
> I don’t know if I can even spit up the block like how your
saying
> because I only have 1 gateway IP address from the upstream
> provider unless there is something I don’t know about
because one
> mikrotik router (core) router is handling the ip’s then from
there
> its ospf over wireless ptp link to an other mikrotik router with
> totally different internal IP address from router a haves.
>
> @ Christian
>
> So if you have a /28 and it was routed to router a, you can
route
> the whole thing or just subnets to router b, and use them by
just
> setting a gateway on router b. Or a gateway on router a. Or
if it
> is ospf you could just assign a single ip to a loopback and do a
> 1:1 nat to a private. There is a lot of ways to do this, I'm
just
> not clear on your setup.
>
> This is how I got the network currently setup:
> modem ----: routerboard a (w/static wan IP’s w/ospf) then
the link
> is on ether is going for my ptp to other routerboard b (running
> ospf also) on ether1 then I want ether 2-4 run to sectors etc.
>
> So I need to figure out how to route the static wan ip’s
over ospf
> from routerboard a to b etc..
>
> Tim
>
> *From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Christian
> Palecek
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:07 PM
> *To:* Mikrotik Users
> *Subject:* Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
>
> So if you have a /28 and it was routed to router a, you can
route
> the whole thing or just subnets to router b, and use them by
just
> setting a gateway on router b. Or a gateway on router a. Or
if it
> is ospf you could just assign a single ip to a loopback and do a
> 1:1 nat to a private. There is a lot of ways to do this, I'm
just
> not clear on your setup.
>
> Christian Palecek
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Cybernet Inc.
>
> Hamilton, MT
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Date:12/20/2014 10:48 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Mikrotik Users <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
>
> Scott I got block of 13 and I can go all the way of block of
254 if I
> wanted to.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 2014-12-20 12:21, Scott Reed wrote:
> > How many addresses do they give you?
> > What is the subnet mask you use on your connection to the
upstream?
> >
> > On 12/20/2014 12:07 PM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >> Well the upstream provider have the static ip's scripted
inside the
> >> modem. So I don't think they are actually routing the ip's
> directly to
> >> me.
> >>
> >> So it looks like I'm going have go bat route setup if that is
> correct.
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 2014-12-20 10:59, Christian Palecek wrote:
> >>> I think you are going to have to use dst-nat as a 1:1
nat, unless
> >>> they
> >>> actually are routing you ip's, then you would just route
them
> like
> >>> you
> >>> would any subnet.
> >>>
> >>> Christian Palecek
> >>> Network Administrator
> >>> Cybernet Inc.
> >>> Hamilton, MT
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: T Maylone <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>> Date:12/20/2014 7:33 AM (GMT-07:00)
> >>> To: Mikrotik Users <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik Users] Couple questions to ask
> >>>
> >>> example routing through two routers
> >>>
> >>> assume your public ip is 1.1.1.1
> >>> assume your provider routes 1.1.1.1 to your router A
ether port 1
> >>> assume there is a relationship between router a ether 2
> 10.254.0.1/29 <http://10.254.0.1/29>
> >>> [2] and router B ether 1 10.254.0.2
> >>> assume there is a relationship between router b ether 2
> 10.253.0.1/29 <http://10.253.0.1/29>
> >>> [3] and router c ether 1 10.253.0.2
> >>>
> >>> In router A
> >>> IP route 1.1.1.1 10.254.0.2
> >>>
> >>> In router B
> >>> IP router 1.1.1.1 10.253.0.2
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Tim Reichhart
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Guys
> >>>>
> >>>> I am just wondering if I have multiple wan IP's on
ether1 is
> an way
> >>>> to place it onto other ethernet interfaces? Also I am
running
> ospf
> >>>> on my routers so lets say router A is the main core
with wan IP’s
> >>>> and router B needs an wan IP from router A for an
internal IP how
> >>>> would I route that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> [3] http://10.253.0.1/29
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