That letter makes me sick. I still stand by Tranzeo on this issue as I believe they did the right thing.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a FYI, I got this from Mikrotik.. I wanted to make sure I sent it > out to everyone.. > > > The tranzeo timestamp issues comes from tranzeo implementing a timestamp > check that is not included in the 802.11 standard for ap to client > communications. > > The timestamp check is included in the standard for the adhoc (IBSS) > wireless mode (which is not commonly used and Mikrotik does not support) > -- and there is are reasons that it is included in adhoc mode and not in > ap to client mode. > > The standard requires clients to accept the beacon timestamp > unconditionally in ap to client mode. Tranzeo has added a specific > check because they said they thought it is logical that the check be > applied to ap to client mode. Good standards implementations do not add > things to a standard. These standards are made by IEEE committees of > engineers that are very specific on what they include and don't > include. If a company wants to change a standard, then they need to > join the committee and, through peer review, get a new standard approved. > > We have made a work-around for their violation of the standard. But > rather than somebody saying thank you, the old saying of 'no good deed > goes unpunished' is proven again. We make many work-arounds for > incorrect standards implementations and extension by companies such as > Microsoft, Realtek, and now Tranzeo. We do that to help our customers, > but in reality, the vendors that do not follow the standards should fix > the problem. > > In summary, it is very unfair that we are blamed for problems made by > another company that does not implement the standard correctly. Many > people in this business don't do it just for money, but because they > like making things (be it WISP or equipment for WISP). Rants without > basis kind of put a wet blanket on the whole party. > > For those that would like to research this, here a clear reference from > the 802.11 standard that is pertinent: > > From 802.11-2007, 11.1.1.1 TSF for infrastructure networks: > ... A receiving STA shall always accept the timing information in Beacon > frames sent from the AP servicing its BSS. If a STAâEUR^(TM)s TSF timer > is different > from the timestamp in the received Beacon frame, the receiving STA shall > set > its local TSF timer to the received timestamp value. > > Tranzeo decided to assume that receiving a beacon with timestamp less > than in previous beacon indicates that the AP has restarted (the > standard has another method to handle restarted ap units). This check > is not in the standard and this a tranzeo addition to the standard that > has cause the disconnect problem that Ryan has suffered from. > > Regards, > > Mikrotik > > ------------------------------ > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > 314-735-0270 > http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > > > > D. Ryan Spott wrote: > > Oh don't think I have not tried to shame them into this MULTIPLE times... > :) > > > > Damian! Get on it! > > > > ryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:43 AM > > To: WISPA General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue > Oct 10th, 2008 > > > > Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor > > Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have > > asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last > > WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as > > yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts. > > Scriv > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. > >> > >> Kurt Fankhauser > >> WAVELINC > >> P.O. Box 126 > >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 > >> 419-562-6405 > >> www.wavelinc.com > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott > >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; > Mikrotik > >> Users Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect > issue > >> Oct 10th, 2008 > >> > >> Ladies and Gentlemen, > >> > >> (Please pardon my extensive use of () and "" in this here email, I am > >> not so good with the typin' stuff! > >> > >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >> > >> A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a > >> "random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs." > >> > >> First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) > >> Then it was "tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda" (no that is not it > >> either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although "not as often") > >> Then it was "you must have some power issue with the boards browning out > >> on the routeros board you are using" (nope, not that either) > >> Someone even threw in "Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more." > >> (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population > >> called the Kuiper belt <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt>.) > >> Even I said it was not an issue and "hey they just disconnect a few > >> times a day.. who cares!" (whoops! talk to my P****** off customers!) > >> Even Marlon the strange wizard from the far side of the mountains > >> > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wants You! 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