Motorola-users Tranzeo-users Etc On 4/23/10, Damian Wallace <dwall...@tranzeo.com> wrote: > I thought vendors were not welcome on lists at WISPA? > > Anyways you're moderating it right? > > On 2010-04-23, at 18:53, "Ryan Spott" <rsp...@cspott.com> wrote: > >> Don't use the TZT forum.. use the mailing list! >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/tranzeo_wifi_users >> or >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/tranzeo_wimax_users >> >> If you hurry, you can talk smack about Damian before he gets there! >> >> ryan >> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Damian Wallace >> <dwall...@tranzeo.com>wrote: >> >> > It's an old argument, and this is the wrong place, so before Butch >> pulls >> > out the ban hammer, I say hit me on the TZT forum. But the original >> > thread of this email is why wikis and forums don't work for support. >> > >> > The list could have gone around for a while about how these cards >> work. >> > But the fact is, it took someone at Zcomax to confirm they work. I, >> > from a manufacturer, explained why 5 MHz didn't work between two >> other >> > vendors. Be nice if you could have called the support team at MT or >> > Star-OS, but that isn't their business model. Our support is never >> > perfect either, but I always want people to able to talk to a human >> > about their problem. >> > >> > <personal rant> >> > People have a natural tendency to find patterns in things. He had >> that >> > problem, it's sort of like my problem, this must be the solution. >> The >> > difference between a call center operator and true tech support is >> > someone who knows what really happens in the product, what should >> happen >> > when you click that button, and why what is happening is happening. >> > That takes years of investment into employees to have that level of >> > knowledge. >> > >> > It's like when your customer calls you and says the internet is >> down, >> > they can't get to their yahoo. Call display says SKYPE OUT. Oh, >> the >> > DNS server isn't working again. You put those pieces together >> with your >> > knowledge. >> > >> > Wikis are fine for how-to's, especial with something as complex as >> MT. >> > But when you are on a tower with a bad config, you need help now, in >> > fact, 5 minutes ago. >> > >> > Forums nearly always turn into flame wars. >> > >> > And of course there is the issue of manufacturer forums where you >> ask >> > for support and your post gets deleted. >> > >> > When I want support, I want to talk to the people who know. I >> paid good >> > money for the product, they should be there to answer my call, or >> email, >> > or chat. <Colbert mode on> Are you listening Apple? <Colbert >> mope off> >> > >> > </personal rant> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com >> > [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh >> Luthman >> > Sent: April-23-10 4:38 PM >> > To: Mikrotik discussions >> > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Was 5 Mhz, now WPA TKIP >> > >> > I disagree with that. >> > >> > On 4/23/10, Damian Wallace <dwall...@tranzeo.com> wrote: >> > > Wiki's and forums are for companies too cheap to have real tech >> > support >> > > :-( >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com >> > > [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >> > Pierce >> > > Sent: April-23-10 6:03 AM >> > > To: Mikrotik discussions >> > > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Was 5 Mhz, now WPA TKIP >> > > >> > > No doubt, I miss the Tranzeo list on Part-15.org as well. No >> offense >> > > meant to Tranzeo, but their wiki or whatever they have is very >> sad. >> > > >> > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> > > From: Chris Gotstein <ch...@uplogon.com> >> > > Reply-To: Mikrotik discussions <mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com> >> > > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:27:12 -0500 >> > > >> > >>Is the list active? I'm pretty sure i'm subscribed to it. I >> miss the >> > >>tranzeo list from Part-15. >> > >> >> > >>---- ---- ---- ---- >> > >>Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer >> Connection UP >> > >>http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com >> > >> >> > >>On 4/21/2010 2:25 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: >> > >>> There are new Tranzeo lists to complain on at wispa. >> > >>> >> > >>> ;P >> > >>> >> > >>> ryan >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:42 AM, "Damian Wallace" >> > <dwall...@tranzeo.com> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> Point taken. We are working on it. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Back to MT issues. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>>> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of >> Chris >> > >>>> Gotstein >> > >>>> Sent: April-21-10 11:16 AM >> > >>>> To: Mikrotik discussions >> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] [Spam Bayesian - ] - Re: Mikrotik/ >> StarOS >> > >>>> 10mhz/5mhz channel compatibility - Bayesian Filter detected >> spam >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Running MT APs with XR2 cards. No problems connecting Tranzeo >> > > CPQ/SL2 >> > >>>> or UBNT radios when using a 10mhz channel. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I do agree on how well we like our Tranzeo radios. I just wish >> > they >> > >>>> could come down on the price of the CPQ-19f radio. We can >> get a >> > >>>> bullet2HP w/ 19db panel for a lot less. The price on the >> > >>>> CPQ-15f/SL2-15f is perfect and competitive with a Bullet2 w/ >> 16db >> > > panel. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> ---- ---- ---- ---- >> > >>>> Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer >> Connection >> > UP >> > >>>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On 4/21/2010 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> > >>>>> Does Tranzeo work with Ubnt or MT or StarOS in 5 or 10 mhz >> > > channels? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> I guess 2.4 and 5ghz are different compatibility wise as >> it's come >> > > to >> > >>>> light >> > >>>>> that StarOS and MT work together in 5ghz but not 2.4. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Josh Luthman >> > >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >> > >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >> > >>>>> Suite 1337 >> > >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the >> courage to >> > >>>> continue >> > >>>>> that counts." >> > >>>>> --- Winston Churchill >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert Andrews >> > >>>> <rob...@avantwireless.com>wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Damian, >> > >>>>> Thank you for making this public. We know that MT and >> > >>>> Valemount >> > >>>>> have >> > >>>>> no love lost, and thanks to both Tranzeo and UBNT for >> working with >> > >>>> both >> > >>>>> of them. Your competitive spirit made this business thrive >> > > against >> > >>>>> proprietary interests... We wish that StarOS and MT would >> have >> > >>>>> cooperated in this to make it so we didn't have to choose >> one or >> > > the >> > >>>>> other. We would have both in our network for each of their >> > > particular >> > >>>>> advantages if they had.... Our testing showed ST did >> better on >> > >>>>> customer throughput and MT did better as real routers... >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Tranzeo and UBNT did best as customer equipment with Tranzeo >> doing >> > >>>>> better in marginal conditions and UBNT doing better in >> price... >> > > So >> > >>>> we >> > >>>>> have both. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Best, >> > >>>>> Robert >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> On 04/21/2010 10:22 AM, Damian Wallace wrote: >> > >>>>>>>> Insert Flame here ^^^^^^^ >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> State Secret. >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> The beacons from one are in a different format than the >> other. >> > > It >> > >>>> has to >> > >>>>>>>> fixed in the code by one or the other, preferably both. >> An SA, >> > >>>> unless >> > >>>>>>>> it's a high end lab grade one, won't show the difference. >> > >>>> Since 5 >> > >>>>>>>> MHz was a lucky accident on Atheros' part, they never >> > documented >> > >>>> how to >> > >>>>>>>> use it fully so different vendors made reasonable, but >> > > different, >> > >>>>>>>> choices about how to modify their drivers to use it. >> Result is >> > >>>> staring >> > >>>>>>>> Matt in the face with an evil grin. It can be fixed, in >> code >> > >>>> though. >> > >>>>>>>> After all, Tranzeo and other brands can connect to both. >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> Damian >> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>>>>>>> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf >> Of D. >> > > Ryan >> > >>>> Spott >> > >>>>>>>> Sent: April-21-10 10:09 AM >> > >>>>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions >> > >>>>>>>> Cc: Mikrotik discussions >> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Spam Bayesian - ] - Re: [Mikrotik] Mikrotik/ >> StarOS >> > >>>> 10mhz/5mhz >> > >>>>>>>> channel compatibility - Bayesian Filter detected spam >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> What are the center frequencies reported by the staros >> and mtik >> > >>>> boxes >> > >>>>>>>> when you go to 10mhz channels? >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> Do you have a spectrum analyzer? >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> ryan >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists >> > >>>>>>>> <li...@manageisp.com> wrote: >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Did some more testing on this today. >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> 5ghz 10mhz and 5mhz channels seem to work fine, with >> Mikrotik >> > > as a >> > >>>>>>>>> client to a StarOS AP. >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> 2.4ghz 10mhz and 5mhz channels do not work at all with >> > Mikrotik >> > > as >> > >>>> a >> > >>>>>>>>> client to a StarOS AP. I did verify that the 20mhz >> channel >> > >>>>>>>>> settings worked fine. >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> This was using Mikrotik R52 cards on both sides, Hardware >> > > Retries >> > >>>>>>>>> set to 15 and tested under Mikrotik 2.9.48 and 3.25. >> StarOS >> > > is >> > >>>>>>>>> version 1.3.23b. >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Ideas? >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Matt Larsen >> > >>>>>>>>> vistabeam.com >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >> > >>>>>>>>>> What specifically is the problem? They won't connect on >> > > 5/10MHz >> > >>>> on a >> > >>>>>>>>>> StarOS AP? Is the StarOS AP an Atheros based AP? Have >> you >> > > tried >> > >>>>>>>>>> setting Hardware Retries to 15 under advanced wireless >> > > settings >> > >>>> on >> > >>>>>>>>>> the >> > >>>>>>>>>> Tik? >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > >>>>>>>>>> Chuck Hogg >> > >>>>>>>>>> Shelby Broadband >> > >>>>>>>>>> 502-722-9292 >> > >>>>>>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>>>>>>>>> From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf >> Of >> > > Matt >> > >>>>>>>>>> Larsen - >> > >>>>>>>>>> Lists >> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:13 AM >> > >>>>>>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions >> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Mikrotik] Mikrotik/StarOS 10mhz/5mhz channel >> > >>>> compatibility >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I realize that I asked this question a few months ago, >> but >> > >>>> thought >> > >>>>>>>>>> that >> > >>>>>>>>>> I would ask again to see if anyone knows whether there >> have >> > > been >> > >>>>>>>>>> changes >> > >>>>>>>>>> in new versions of Mikrotik that would fix the >> compatibility >> > > with >> > >>>>>>>>>> StarOS >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> 10mhz/5mhz APs? I have a pile of MT units that are >> no good >> > > to >> > >>>> me >> > >>>>>>>>>> unless they work with StarOS APs. >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Matt Larsen >> > >>>>>>>>>> vistabeam.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related >> to >> > >>>> Mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related >> to >> > >>>> Mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>>>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> > >>>> Mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> > > Mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> > > Mikrotik >> > >>>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > >>>> RouterOS >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> > >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > >>>>> URL: >> > >>>> >> > > >> > <http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/attachments/20100421/f41b2 >> > >>>> af2/attachment.html> >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> > Mikrotik >> > >>>> RouterOS >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > >>>> RouterOS >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > >>>> RouterOS >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >>> >> > >>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > >>> RouterOS >> > >>_______________________________________________ >> > >>Mikrotik mailing list >> > >>Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > >>http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >> >> > >>Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > > RouterOS >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________________________________________ >> > > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Mikrotik mailing list >> > > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > > >> > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > > RouterOS >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Mikrotik mailing list >> > > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > > >> > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to >> Mikrotik >> > RouterOS >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> > continue that counts." >> > --- Winston Churchill >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mikrotik mailing list >> > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >> > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik >> > RouterOS >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mikrotik mailing list >> > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> > >> > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik >> > RouterOS >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/attachments/20100423/b02fa551/attachment.html >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Mikrotik mailing list >> Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com >> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik >> >> Visit 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