On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:38:46PM -0400, Amelia A Lewis wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:11:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When did it become an assumption that we would adopt any of these
changes?
I don't think that it did become an assumption, but as a number of
people have responded to the initial design, to the point that the
designer offered a revision, I thought I might add to the discussion. I
apologize if it was out place to do so.
The debate - since three days now - strongly suggests, that at least
some of those contributing to the debate were assuming that a change
of the looks of openbsd.org might be accepted. Otherwise: what sense
would it make to debate it here?
The point tho seems: there were at least two threads over the last 11
years on that topic:
2012:
"OpenBSD's webpage desing"
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=4&s=desing+webpage&q=b
2016:
"Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org"
https://marc.info/?t=146346950300003&r=2&w=2
Result:
Just compare the archived version of the site from 2011 to the
present one:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111223000626/http://www.openbsd.org/
So to make sure my effort is making sense: what I most certainly would
have done before working on a redesign of the current page would have
been to ask its maintainers, whether they wanted the change. And if
yes: what sort of change. Because obviously it's, well: their page.
Not mine. Plus: they probably have specific needs that I don't know
about for the coding of it, to make it compatible with the frequent
changes of it: updates, announcement of patches etc. - Meaning: Before
doing any attempt to rewrite the code, I would have asked the
current maintainers about the constraints for a change.
Theo de Raadt about a rewrite of openbsd.org in 2016:
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https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=146378604413389&w=2
"We rarely do whole-scale replacements of anything in OpenBSD, unless
there is compelling reason the old should be discarded. I have
probably received 500+ proposals for website rewrites, a handful with
the effort already expended. This is another offer which will be
rejected. It is kind of sad.
I think the site is fine. [ ... ] I agree there would be value in
small tweaks to improve the view for narrow displays.
This is a project that does rapid incremental changes. This entire
concept of throw-it-away, you-want-the-new-warts; I don't get where
it comes from."
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Nice weekend, everyone!
