David Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> There is some layer-2 stuff that happens before layer-3 handshaking
> >> begins -- 802.11 association and deassociation, possibly layer-2
> >> learning, and 802.1X authentication if that's used. IPSec will not and
> >> cannot secure any of this.
> > 
> > Is there any need to secure that? In my local WLAN, you only have two
> > ways of proceeding if you want internet access: a Tor router, or
> > IPsec. 
> 
> Before either of those processes begin, I can associate like crazy to
> your access point. That would ensure you never get Internet access, even
> without my flinging a single IP packet at you.

Duh.  It's a *radio* network.  Of course it can be DoS-ed.  WEP
doesn't change that.  In fact, popular attacks against WEP generate
massive L2 traffic.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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