The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be fairly easy to test I think:
- Pick, some number of articles at random. - Run them through a description extraction script. - Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I demo'ed. If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a wildly abstract discussion more concrete. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal I > would totally agree ;) > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbr...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity to >> make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is >> generated correctly. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are >>> superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing >>> test ;) >>> >>> I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give >>> *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up >>> at the Lyon hackathon: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8 >>> >>> I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by >>> hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have >>> them. >>> >>> I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for >>> how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use... >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Nice one! >>>> >>>> Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do >>>> with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline? >>>> >>>> >>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* >>>> >>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se> >>>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>>> >>>> >>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...": >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js >>>>> >>>>> To use, add: >>>>> importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ; >>>>> to your common.js >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated >>>>>> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I >>>>>> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) and I >>>>>> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which one >>>>>> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served >>>>>> basic >>>>>> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to >>>>>> update that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < >>>>>> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >>>>>>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it >>>>>>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) overriding >>>>>>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. Mobile >>>>>>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very >>>>>>> happy. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nemo >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mobile-l mailing list >>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dmitry Brant >> Mobile Apps Team (Android) >> Wikimedia Foundation >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_mobile_engineering >> >> >
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