Could there be a way to have our nicely curated description cake and eat it too? For example, interpolating data into the description and/or marking data points which are referenced in the description (so as to mark it as outdated when they change)?
I appreciate the potential benefits of generated descriptions (and other things), but Monte's examples might have swayed me towards human curated—when available. On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Ok, so I just did what I proposed. I went to random enwiki articles and > described the first ten I found which didn't already have descriptions: > > > - "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film about a Gulf War friendly-fire > incident* > > - "Pebasiconcha immanis", *largest known species of land snail, extinct* > > - "List of Kenyan writers", *notable Kenyan authors* > > - "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *annular eclipse which lasted 77 > seconds* > > - "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *historic Civilian Conservation Corps > post-and-beam building* > > - "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *debut 1980 studio album by Goombay Dance > Band* > > - "E-1027", *modernist villa in France by architect Eileen Gray* > > - "Daingerfield State Park", *park in Morris County, Texas, USA, > bordering Lake Daingerfield* > > - "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *2014 Live album by Mexican pop singer Fey* > > - "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *6th UEFA Regions' Cup, won by Castile and > Leon* > > > > And here are the respective descriptions from Magnus' (quite excellent) > autodesc.js: > > > > - "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film by Edward Zwick, produced by John > Davis and David T. Friendly from United States of America* > > - "Pebasiconcha immanis", *species of Mollusca* > > - "List of Kenyan writers", *Wikimedia list article* > > - "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *solar eclipse* > > - "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *Construction in Connecticut, United > States of America* > > - "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *album* > > - "E-1027", *villa in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France* > > - "Daingerfield State Park", *state park and state park of a state of the > United States in Texas, United States of America* > > - "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *live album by Fey* > > - "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *none* > > > > Thoughts? > > Just trying to make my own bold assertions falsifiable :) > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mh...@wikimedia.org');>> wrote: > >> The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be >> fairly easy to test I think: >> >> - Pick, some number of articles at random. >> - Run them through a description extraction script. >> - Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I >> demo'ed. >> >> If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a >> wildly abstract discussion more concrete. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mh...@wikimedia.org');>> wrote: >> >>> If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal >>> I would totally agree ;) >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbr...@wikimedia.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dbr...@wikimedia.org');>> wrote: >>> >>>> IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity >>>> to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is >>>> generated correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mh...@wikimedia.org');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are >>>>> superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing >>>>> test ;) >>>>> >>>>> I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give >>>>> *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up >>>>> at the Lyon hackathon: >>>>> bluetooth720 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8> >>>>> >>>>> I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by >>>>> hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense >>>>> for how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jan.ain...@wikimedia.se');>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nice one! >>>>>> >>>>>> Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to >>>>>> do with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* >>>>>> >>>>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se> >>>>>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>>>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>>>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','magnusman...@googlemail.com');>>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...": >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To use, add: >>>>>>> importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ; >>>>>>> to your common.js >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jane...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated >>>>>>>> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I >>>>>>>> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) >>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served >>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to >>>>>>>> update that too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < >>>>>>>> nemow...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nemow...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >>>>>>>>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it >>>>>>>>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) >>>>>>>>> overriding >>>>>>>>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. >>>>>>>>> Mobile >>>>>>>>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very >>>>>>>>> happy. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nemo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org');> >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org');> >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org');> >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org');> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dmitry Brant >>>> Mobile Apps Team (Android) >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_mobile_engineering >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- EN Wikipedia user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle IRC: bgerstle
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