Ok, so I just did what I proposed. I went to random enwiki articles and described the first ten I found which didn't already have descriptions:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film about a Gulf War friendly-fire incident* - "Pebasiconcha immanis", *largest known species of land snail, extinct* - "List of Kenyan writers", *notable Kenyan authors* - "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *annular eclipse which lasted 77 seconds* - "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *historic Civilian Conservation Corps post-and-beam building* - "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *debut 1980 studio album by Goombay Dance Band* - "E-1027", *modernist villa in France by architect Eileen Gray* - "Daingerfield State Park", *park in Morris County, Texas, USA, bordering Lake Daingerfield* - "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *2014 Live album by Mexican pop singer Fey* - "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *6th UEFA Regions' Cup, won by Castile and Leon* And here are the respective descriptions from Magnus' (quite excellent) autodesc.js: - "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film by Edward Zwick, produced by John Davis and David T. Friendly from United States of America* - "Pebasiconcha immanis", *species of Mollusca* - "List of Kenyan writers", *Wikimedia list article* - "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *solar eclipse* - "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *Construction in Connecticut, United States of America* - "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *album* - "E-1027", *villa in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France* - "Daingerfield State Park", *state park and state park of a state of the United States in Texas, United States of America* - "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *live album by Fey* - "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *none* Thoughts? Just trying to make my own bold assertions falsifiable :) On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be fairly > easy to test I think: > > - Pick, some number of articles at random. > - Run them through a description extraction script. > - Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I > demo'ed. > > If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a > wildly abstract discussion more concrete. > > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal >> I would totally agree ;) >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbr...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >>> IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity >>> to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is >>> generated correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are >>>> superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing >>>> test ;) >>>> >>>> I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give >>>> *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up >>>> at the Lyon hackathon: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8 >>>> >>>> I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by >>>> hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have >>>> them. >>>> >>>> I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for >>>> how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nice one! >>>>> >>>>> Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do >>>>> with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* >>>>> >>>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se> >>>>> 0729 - 67 29 48 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till >>>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* >>>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com> >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...": >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js >>>>>> >>>>>> To use, add: >>>>>> importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ; >>>>>> to your common.js >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated >>>>>>> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I >>>>>>> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) and >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served >>>>>>> basic >>>>>>> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to >>>>>>> update that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < >>>>>>> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >>>>>>>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it >>>>>>>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) >>>>>>>> overriding >>>>>>>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. >>>>>>>> Mobile >>>>>>>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very >>>>>>>> happy. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nemo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mobile-l mailing list >>>> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dmitry Brant >>> Mobile Apps Team (Android) >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_mobile_engineering >>> >>> >> >
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