> Does anybody see a niche for a new web-hosting company specializing in
> mode_perl and other goodies, rather than the generic "package" ? Matt ?
> That could ease the management problem of "we agree mod_perl is great,
> but our hoster won't run it".
> I for one ended up having to host my own website because nobody would
> host mod_perl & msql for less than an arm and a leg.

Sure, Rod, there is a niche
Build a rack of machines, give each client a dedicated box and have solved
the problem of many people seeking mod_perl support. The question is how
much this service is going to cost...


> Rod
> 
> Gidon Wise wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everybody,
> > 
> > I believe it is true. We could have more more mod_perl programmers.
> > I think that the biggest problem/opportunity that mod_perl has in terms
> > of proliferation amongst programmers/users is that Hosts currently
> > do not provide mod_perl on cheap virtual server package.
> > 
> > I think a whole lot of perl programmers and non perl programmers
> > would move to mod_perl if the service was provided.
> > 
> > Currently in The Guide it discusses 3 possibilities for Hosts.
> > http://perl.apache.org/guide/multiuser.html#ISPs_providing_mod_perl_services
> > 
> > Are there any other ways that we can suggest to hosts
> > which are easier for all involved? I am not that experienced with mod_perl
> > so I cannot propose a robust solution. But I do believe there must be one.
> > 
> > Even a limited/special version or configuration of mod_perl would do.
> > 
> > Why is just offering PerlRun, or something like it, not an option?
> > I don't know PerlRun, but doesn't that clean things up a bit?
> > 
> > The PHP people managed to get into the Virtual server space
> > and I think it has been a great boost for the Hosts and the low
> > budget Customers. But there are a lot of perl programmers and
> > perl programs out there that could use the boost as well. And even
> > programmers who have the resources, when they choose which language
> > to use, sometimes have to consider that instances of their programs
> > will be used by people without the resources to have mod_perl.
> > 
> > A limited mod_perl that Hosts can use and advertise
> > could help mod_perl and a whole lot of perl programmers
> > to use Perl on the smaller, acorn-like, projects.
> > It would also encourage new programmers to use perl
> > as they toy on their first projects.
> > 
> > In anycase, thanks for listening to my pep talk, and good morning!
> > 
> > Stas Bekman wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, folks
> > >
> > > You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
> > > Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
> > >
> > >   At any rate, we're finding it very hard to find mod_perl people and I
> > >   thought maybe you could refer me to someone you know. I can tell you
> > >   more about the client and the positions if you're interested.
> > >
> > > Which makes me thinking that we are too few and the demand is growing
> > > (which is good for us :), but from the other side it's bad for mod_perl,
> > > as when a project staff understands the power of mod_perl and want to use
> > > it but have no experience with mod_perl and can hire none of mod_perl
> > > programmers, there is no other choice left as to use some other probably
> > > worse technology because they could dig up the required man power that has
> > > the required knowledge in the other field.
> > >
> > > Now the question is: if this is truth and you feel the same way, how do we
> > > make the world know that there is a great demand for mod_perl programmers
> > > and that people should learn mod_perl and not the stright-forward choice
> > > like VB, ASP or other technology that drives the web?
> > >
> > > Ideas?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > Stas Bekman  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]    www.singlesheaven.com/stas
> > > Perl,CGI,Apache,Linux,Web,Java,PC at  www.singlesheaven.com/stas/TULARC
> > > www.apache.org  & www.perl.com  == www.modperl.com  ||  perl.apache.org
> > > single o-> + single o-+ = singlesheaven    http://www.singlesheaven.com
> 
> -- 
> Rod Butcher                 | "... I gaze at the beauty of the world,
> Hyena Holdings Internet     | its wonders and its miracles and out of
>       Programming           | sheer joy I laugh even as the day laughs.
> ("it's us or the vultures") | And then the people of the jungle say,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]         | 'It is but the laughter of a hyena'".
>                             |    Kahlil Gibran..  The Wanderer
> 



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