people won't use the software if you don't give them a
compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems
that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php,
and they have a lot less support from external software
vendors or relevance inside engineering shops than java. we
are being squeezed from both ends.

i had lunch with doug and jon swartz not too long ago,
talking about the possibility of starting a web application
infrastructure company based on mod_perl and mason. when we
got down to it, the fundamental question was: why not just
use java? and we couldn't find any answer other than "i like
perl better". and that's not a reasonable business
justification.

at some point we're going to run out of hobbyists and others
who /can/ justify using mod_perl-based technologies because
they like perl better.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:

> Let me stright things out a bit, so you won't get misleaded by my post as
> a marketing call.
> 
> What we want is very simple. 
> 
> 1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot
> bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product.
> 
> 2. We want more developers, so they will write core mod_perl and 3rd party
> modules, again for us current users to re-use and save development
> time. The first item is directly linked to the second, as new developers
> come out from users.
> 
> That's all. The advocacy project is about making people interested in perl
> and mod_perl, versus php and java. You see we just loose the testing power
> and development power because we cannot attract these people to join *our*
> community.
> 
> So all the fuss is not about marketing, press and other commercial
> bullshit.
> 
> It's about people since Open Source without people will not exist.
> 
> If we don't ensure that there is a constant income of new people to the
> project, we cannot ensure the future of the project.
> 
> I hope that our initiative is better understood now.
> 
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