Matt Sergeant wrote:
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote:
>
> > I know this goes a little off topic, so I apologize in advance.
>
> I changed the topic for you :-)
But now it seems like flame bait ;-)
> > One big sticking point with Perl I'm just starting to run into is XML.
> > Yes, Perl has great XML modules, and many more promising ones. But where
> > is the _validating_ XML parser? I'm doing some XML work where a
> > validating parser would be very nice, speed hit or not. I can work
> > around it easily (this is perl :-), but it would save me some work.
>
> XML::Checker.
> Also see www.perl.com which links to Kip Hampton's XML.com article about
> validating using XPath.
I'll look more into XML::Checker. Apart from being alpha, it seems like
it will work nicely. I guess I could help with the alpha status if I
choose. :-)
> > The XML & Java combination has a LOT more corporate resources (read $$$)
> > focused on it than Perl & XML. How many Java-based XML software
> > announcements have you seen lately? Now compare that to Perl-based XML
> > modules. The numbers don't compare very well. What can we do about this?
>
> Very little, except produce our own XML modules that can do our work. And
> you can help by praising those that do produce good XML modules and by
> using the modules that work rather than those that don't (hint: XML::XPath
> vs XML::DOM with XML::XQL). Apart from validation, what are you missing?
True. As for praise, XML::Parser does the job for me. In this specific
case, I'll be looking for something like <status>failure</status> in the
response to an XML request I send. I'd like to pull out just the section
that failed and be able to create another request from that XML chunk.
It's a little down the road, but I'm trying to plan today.
> > I can't help write a validating parser, but I would be happy to help
> > test it out. IMHO, more XML support would help sell perl into more
> > corporate settings. Java is big into buzzwords, and XML is one of the
> > biggest there is at the moment. And as we know PHBs like buzzwords, so
> > that is one more point in Java's favor.
>
> Actually XML is one area where mod_perl kicks Java's butt in some ways.
> AxKit is *faster* than Cocoon. Please test and see for yourself if you
> don't believe me. And building XML based web sites with AxKit is *really*
> easy. I built modperl.sergeant.org in 10 days of spare time, including a
> content management system for the news articles (note that half of the CMS
> code is just a plain mod_perl handler). I'll stick an article online
> shortly about how the site is constructed.
When AxKit first came out, I was very excited about it but never had a
chance to play with it. And it gives me (and you I'm sure) great pride
that perl's XML app server is faster than the equivalent Java version.
;-) I hope to have a play server at home soon so that I can begin
playing with cool new toys like AxKit and A0. My experience with XML is
limited at the moment, but I'm learning quickly.
--
Drew Taylor
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