I have a 1974 m-17 that I purchased 6 years ago from a friend who purchased it from a friend. Both friends and myself have left the 9.9 Yamaha installed during trailering without problems.
randy M-17 "Fore Play" ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: dangling motors (Tim Diebert) > 2. Re: dangling motors (Tom Jenkins) > 3. Keel Hole... (Louis Aliotta) > 4. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty (John Owens) > 5. Re: dangling motors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:41:13 -0700 > From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I always remove mine. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom > Jenkins > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:30 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors > > Montgomery people, > > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 > seems > threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st > century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and > bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of > that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already. > > Thanks, > > Tom Jenkins > > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1414 - Release Date: 5/4/2008 > 12:31 PM > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:10:30 -0700 > From: "Tom Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bob et al., > > > > Perfect range of advice. I realize that it is more prudent to stash the > motor, but it is nice to know the boats will take what you throw at them > when they have to (add pounding on big waves with no leaf springs to > trailering on dirt roads). Stashing a cold six-pack to reward the help > leads > to maximum flexibility, and brewskis can be self-consumed if help is > unnecessary. > > > > Of course, one can always go nuts and install one of these things I found > while writing this message: <www.pickupspecialties.com/spitzlift.htm > > > > > Tom Jenkins > > Scintilla > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob > From > California > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:40 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > > > > > > Tom > > > > There is no problem leaving the motor on while trailering on M_17s I have > built. > > > > We doubled up the lam and added extra reinforcing just for that purpose. > > > > I would recommend stowing the stainless motor mount in the UP position to > > > > reduce the ARM Times WEIGHT moment. Some people also tie a line between > the > > > > motor and a cleat to reduce bouncing. The same for the M_15s. No problem. > > > > Just don't park her overnight and get that Honda swiped. > > > > Fair winds > > > > Bob Eeg > > (949) 489-8227 > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> > > > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the > outboard > bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if > any > of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while > traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not > want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has > been > discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:28:33 -0400 > From: "Louis Aliotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: M_Boats: Keel Hole... > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit???? I know this is a common > problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about > the boat. Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes > us throught that keel hole??? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:44:50 -0500 > From: John Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Robbin, > Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper. It is a folding toilet > with a plastic bag. You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com . > Let me know if I can help. > JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: montgomery_boats > Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> To: [email protected]> Date: > Sun, 4 May 2008 13:59:34 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list > submissions to> [email protected]> > To subscribe or > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, > via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You can reach the person > managing the list at> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: > Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: > Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 2. Re: Comfort and Joy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])> > 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib > Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. > dangling motors (Tom Jenkins)> 7. Re: bimini for M-17 and potty > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and > about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <[email protected]>> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never > tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second > and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> > "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope > (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second > anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching > back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy > anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who > carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent > adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will > just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with > Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I > started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > > badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > > out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> > "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: > M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: [email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the > stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I > want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, > I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the > anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and > tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up > during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > > pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > > **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > > family favorites at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 > 06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: > M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> > <[email protected]>> Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:41 AM> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and > Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the > anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and > once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor > line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside > of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the > main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I > can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have > automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites > at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008> > 4:34 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: > Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and > about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <[email protected]>> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have > additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and > the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the > tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go > through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, > down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the > starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a > single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as > little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side > of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of > the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you > would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each > double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep > > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the > 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one > side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the > tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail > shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. > Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where > I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the > name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other > days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat > is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are > sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to > change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > > those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great > information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and > warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> > ========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim> > Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about > Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib > Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system > and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page > here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope > this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: > 4/29/2008> 6:27 PM> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: > 5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and > potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > <[email protected]>> Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the > admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of > the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a > Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the > new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good > reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built > in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the > general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the > upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate > topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which > I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with > hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it > is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in > advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> > Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats"> <[email protected]>> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, > raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> > threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> > century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> > bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> > that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 > 15:59:24 EDT> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for > M-17 and potty> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [email protected]> Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate > subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and > following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett > dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the > standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, > you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, > which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > > material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash > bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping > facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly > into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with > the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full > disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, > of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L > #633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> > Wondering what's for > Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites > at AOL Food.> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)> > > > ------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing > list> [email protected]> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 7> > *********************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. > http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:35:38 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > My O.B. bracket has failed big time and has to be replaced -- or, rather, > removed, and replaced by a repositionable bracket, which I've always > wished I > had. Of course, have to install an access port, so I can get backing > plates > into the inside of the transom. > > In 25 years I've never heard the advice to remove the motor from the > bracket > in transit. I'd have always been happy to, just to toss it into the back > of > the vehicle. Wish someone had said something about the stresses > involved, > leaving it on. > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 > *********************************************** _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
