I have a 1974 m-17 that I purchased 6 years ago from a friend who purchased 
it from a friend.  Both friends and myself have left the 9.9 Yamaha 
installed during trailering without problems.

randy
M-17 "Fore Play"


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> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:41:13 -0700
> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"
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> I always remove mine.
>
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> Jenkins
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> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors
>
> Montgomery people,
>
> On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 
> seems
> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st
> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling.  The transom and
> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of
> that nice fiberglass.
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed already.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Jenkins
>
> M17 Scintilla (2004)
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> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:10:30 -0700
> From: "Tom Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
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> Bob et al.,
>
>
>
> Perfect range of advice. I realize that it is more prudent to stash the
> motor, but it is nice to know the boats will take what you throw at them
> when they have to (add pounding on big waves with no leaf springs to
> trailering on dirt roads). Stashing a cold six-pack to reward the help 
> leads
> to maximum flexibility, and brewskis can be self-consumed if help is
> unnecessary.
>
>
>
> Of course, one can always go nuts and install one of these things I found
> while writing this message: <www.pickupspecialties.com/spitzlift.htm >
>
>
>
> Tom Jenkins
>
> Scintilla
>
>
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob 
> From
> California
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> There is no problem leaving the motor on while trailering on M_17s I have
> built.
>
>
>
> We doubled up the lam and added extra reinforcing just for that purpose.
>
>
>
> I would recommend stowing the stainless motor mount in the UP position to
>
>
>
> reduce the ARM Times WEIGHT moment. Some people also tie a line between 
> the
>
>
>
> motor and a cleat to reduce bouncing. The same for the M_15s. No problem.
>
>
>
> Just don't park her overnight and get that Honda swiped.
>
>
>
> Fair winds
>
>
>
> Bob Eeg
>
> (949) 489-8227
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> [email protected]> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> 
>  >
> Montgomery people,> > On occasion, raising even a Honda 5 onto the 
> outboard
> bracket of a 17 seems> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if 
> any
> of you with a 21st> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while
> traveling. The transom and> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not
> want to compromise any of> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has 
> been
> discussed already.> > Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > >
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> So what's uyp with the water in my cockpit????  I know this is a common 
> problem with the M-15 and it is the only thing that really bugs me about 
> the boat.  Has anyone found a way to evacuate the excess water that comes 
> us throught that keel hole???
>
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> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:44:50 -0500
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> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and potty
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> Robbin,
> Another option for a potty is my dandy dumper.  It is a folding toilet 
> with a plastic bag.  You can see it on my site www.jowoodworks.com .
> Let me know if I can help.
> JohnJohn OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 CR 3812Troup, Texas 
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> 3. Re: Comfort and Joy (Tim Diebert)> 4. Re: Single Line Reefing and Jib 
> Downhaul (Tim Diebert)> 5. bimini for M-17 and potty (robbin roddewig)> 6. 
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>  > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:17:06 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and 
> about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <[email protected]>> 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Now this is a technique I have never 
> tried or even read about. I carry one> of those grapnel units as a second 
> and will try this next time.> ThanksJim.> Tim D.> ---------------------> 
> "Try this:> Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope 
> (anchor > just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second 
> anchor > should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching 
> back and > forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy 
> anchors > (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who 
> carries > those anymore?)> Drawbacks:> 1) It can require frequent 
> adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges > (or your second anchor will 
> just dangle when the tide comes in).> 2) It doesn't work very well with 
> Danforth type anchors.> 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work.> I 
> started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so > 
> badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored > 
> out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary.> Jim Poulakis> 
> "Spirit" M-17 #648"> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> 
> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:40:58 EDT> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 
> M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: [email protected]> 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the 
> stern. I drop the anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I 
> want to anchor and once it is set and the > right amount of scope is out, 
> I tie the anchor line to the stern cleat, then > take the rest of the 
> anchor line outside of the shrouds, fair lead it around > the pulpit and 
> tie it off to the main cleat. That way if the wind and waves > get up 
> during the night, I can just uncleat the line from the stern, the boat > 
> pivots and I have automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > 
> **************> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > 
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>  > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 
> 06:56:53 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: 
> M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> 
> <[email protected]>> Message-ID: 
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> charset="us-ascii"> > Now why didn't I think of that!> Thanks John.> 
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> Joy> > Tim,> > I often anchor my M17 "Miss T" from the stern. I drop the 
> anchor from the > stern while comming in to the spot I want to anchor and 
> once it is set and> the > right amount of scope is out, I tie the anchor 
> line to the stern cleat, then> > take the rest of the anchor line outside 
> of the shrouds, fair lead it around> > the pulpit and tie it off to the 
> main cleat. That way if the wind and> waves > get up during the night, I 
> can just uncleat the line from the stern, the> boat > pivots and I have 
> automatically added 17 feet to the scope.> > John > > > **************> 
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> Sun, 4 May 2008 07:15:37 -0700> From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul> To: "'For and 
> about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <[email protected]>> 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Tom said: "As always, though, I have 
> additional questions. You put all the> first reef> gear to starboard and 
> the second reef to port, requiring some type of> anchoring devices in the 
> tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing> line could not go 
> through the double block on the starboard side, through> the tack cringle, 
> down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew> cringle and the 
> starboard padeye? "> > >Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a 
> single set. > But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as 
> little hardware> as possible.> If you had a double on either either side 
> of the boom forward(as there is> now)> ...you could utilize one shiv of 
> the double for the first and the other for> the 2nd> .....but then you 
> would have two different lines with two different> functions on > each 
> double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to> keep 
>  > clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the 
> 2nd> set> of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one 
> side seems> to> help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the 
> tack does tend to> twist> the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail 
> shape or performance.> > Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. 
> Do you even have a full set> of lifelines?> > >The boat is not quite where 
> I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with> lifelines> (and the 
> name...)> The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other 
> days they> seem> completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat 
> is pretty small to> close in> side decks like that. But when you are 
> sitting on the foredeck with your> legs straddling > the bow trying to 
> change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly> handy. For > 
> those days alone is why they remain. > > Thanks again for your great 
> information.> > >My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.> > Sunny and 
> warm today, I am off to sail.> > Cheers, Tim in BC.> 
> ========================================> > Tom Jenkins> M17 Scintilla> 
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> Diebert> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM> To: 'For and about 
> Montgomery Sailboats'> Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib 
> Downhaul> > For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system 
> and the jib> downhaul I use.> Images and explanation posted to a web page 
> here> <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .> > I hope 
> this helps.> > Have a great weekend all.> > Cheers, Tim D. in BC.> 
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> 5> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:46:54 -0400> From: robbin roddewig 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: bimini for M-17 and 
> potty> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> 
> <[email protected]>> Message-ID: 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Listers,> I have been asked by the 
> admiral to look into the installation of a > Bimini on the flag ship of 
> the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other > examples of 17's with a 
> Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers > this as an option on the 
> new boats. Has anyone done this, considered > this or are there good 
> reasons I am not seeing other examples?> > Does anyone else have a built 
> in head? I have avoided the thing since I > purchased the boat (on the 
> general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but > may want to use it in the 
> upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on > this rather indelicate 
> topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to > put in the tank, which 
> I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a > pump out fitting with 
> hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head > go back to inert once it 
> is pumped out? Should I consider a portable > replacement?> > Thanks in 
> advance,> Robbin> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> 
> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:31 -0700> From: "Tom Jenkins" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: M_Boats: dangling motors> To: "For and about 
> Montgomery Sailboats"> <[email protected]>> 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: 
> text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Montgomery people,> > On occasion, 
> raising even a Honda 5 onto the outboard bracket of a 17 seems> 
> threatening to the skeleton, so I am wondering if any of you with a 21st> 
> century M17 leaves the iron jib in place while traveling. The transom and> 
> bracket look strong, but I certainly would not want to compromise any of> 
> that nice fiberglass. > > Sorry if this has been discussed already.> > 
> Thanks,> > Tom Jenkins> > M17 Scintilla (2004) > > > 
>  > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 
> 15:59:24 EDT> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: bimini for 
> M-17 and potty> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> [email protected]> Message-ID: 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; 
> charset="US-ASCII"> > Robbin,> > There was a thread on this delicate 
> subject back I think in December, and > based on what I learned then, and 
> following Doug Kelch's lead, I have bought (for > the same cruise) a Pett 
> dry toilet system, which seems to have a lot of > advantages over the 
> standard porta-potti. If you are thinking of replacing your > built-in, 
> you may want to consider it. Lots of information online on the > system, 
> which uses zipper bags pre-filled with chemicals which process the > 
> material into a semi-solid form which can legally be dumped into any trash 
> bin. No > flushing, no tank to dump, and no necessity to scout for dumping 
> facilities. > I found also that when the legs are removed it fits solidly 
> into the > starboard v-berth storage hatch opening. It's not flush with 
> the surround, but can > easily be closed and stored when not in use. Full 
> disclosure - I haven't used > it yet, but plan to test it out (informally, 
> of course) sometime before the > cruise.> > Rick Davies> M-17 Lynne L 
> #633> > PS It's also cheaper than a porta-potti. > > > **************> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:35:38 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: dangling motors
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
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> My O.B. bracket has failed big time and has to be replaced -- or, rather,
> removed, and replaced by a repositionable bracket, which I've always 
> wished I
> had.   Of course, have to install an access port, so I can get backing 
> plates
> into the inside of the transom.
>
> In 25 years I've never heard the advice to remove the motor from the 
> bracket
> in transit.   I'd have always been happy to, just to toss it into the back 
> of
> the vehicle.   Wish someone had said something about the stresses 
> involved,
> leaving it on.
>
>
> **************
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