Hear, hear! (or, if you prefer: Here, here!)
And I just want to add: self-righteous indignation gets awfully tired after a
while, justified or not.
Dave
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From: Susan Heim
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Vertigo, Vertigo, Let it Go!!
Hi Michael and all,
Michael, weren't you the one that bought or were thinking of buying the
Vertigo one sheet or half sheet from the Butterfield auction of Louis
Leithold's collection? If you remember, they didn't describe fading of many of
the posters in that aucton and, consequenly, had to take back many posters
including the Vertigo poster, which I think you might have bought. Dave's
original descriptions was miles above their description, which as I recall made
no mention of fading at all. Louis was a friend of mine and many of the posters
in his collection were faded due to the fact that they were hung facing the
setting sun over the Pacific Ocean and that he had floor to ceiling windows
running the length of the entire room.
This situation with Dave's poster has been beaten to death at this point.
If, whoever, buys it isn't happy with the poster or it's descriptiion, I have
seen that Dave has a full money back guarantee. I noted immediately from the
picture that it was faded. I think it's time to let it go and get onto another
subject more interesting.
Thank you,
Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:27:12 -0400
From: dialmbb...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Vertigo: Q For Dario!
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
YOU STATED (below): from the start......with our huge photo and accurate
description
WOW.
I used my scenario about Gentleman's Agreement to illustrate that i always
provide honest description, as do most MOPO sellers. I look forward to the
paypal notification. My paypal account is the same as my email:
dialmbb...@aol.com
michael
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lieberman <dli...@aol.com>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Vertigo: Q For Dario!
michael
at the risk of repeating myself......you really need to calm down.
and do you really think that by SHOUTING you get your point across better?
to accuse us of being anything less than honest is just preposterous.
the only thing this whole thing has been about is whether or not the poster
was possibly not faded. I was open to that possibility. I truly believed it was
faded and I said so from the very beginning.......but I was told that it might
not be, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt. This was all stated honestly in
the description. Whether you believe it or not, that is your problem.
from the start......with our huge photo and accurate description.......any
potential buyer would know exactly what they were getting.
as for ryans comments.....he has an axe to grind ever since I picked on his
crazy buddy greg egbert. And as for Rich's "bullshit" comments......well, he is
a friend and we had a laugh about it over the phone last night. We don't always
agree on everything but I'm pretty sure I can speak for him by saying that he
does not believe the listing was intentionally deceptive.....although he did
think it was deceptive.
and I'm truly sorry about that $9.00 you lost on the gentlemens agreement
poster from another seller on ebay. what is your paypal address? I'll send you
the $9.00 so you can stop having nightmares about it.
David Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 --
Scottsdale, Az 85260
Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt.
Only.
In a message dated 9/9/2009 7:30:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
dialmbb...@aol.com writes:
SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT....................BUT NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS AGREED
WITH YOU. IN FACT, NEARLY ALL (MAYBE ALL) THE POSTS ON MOPO HAVE STATED YOUR
DESCRIPTION WAS DECEPTIVE. GROSSLY DECEPTIVE. AND, THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW
BETTER.
IN FACT, ONE MOPO CONTRIBUTOR HAS CHARACTERIZE ALL YOUR EXCUSES &
JUSTIFICATIONS & POSTS AS "BULLSHIT". DITTO.
NONETHELESS......"WE" got you to change your decription. BUT SOME NEW
COLLECTOR WILL STILL BE FOOLED.
AND TO THINK YOU HAVE WRITTEN ME PRIVATELY IN THE PAST TO CONSIGN TO YOU.
i want no part in your screwing people.
last year i purchased from an unknowing seller on ebay a ROLLED/UNFOLDED
faded half sheet of GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT. I am sure he did know it was faded,
because of many items, it was his only poster. I left him good feedback,
anyway. When i compared it to the FOLDED one i own, i saw the discolorization.
SO, when i re-listed it, i DISCLOSED THE FADING. i ended up with a loss of
about 9.00 after ebay/paypal fees. BUT I WAS HONEST.
michael
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lieberman <dli...@aol.com>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Vertigo: Q For Dario!
michael.......it is apparent that you have a reading comprehension problem
as we already answered your questions here on mopo and even once on
nsfge.....here they are again:
the poster is a uniform color. the lighting we use is sometimes
uneven....and in this case it was. It is not darker/lighter in any
area.......that is just our lighting.
the person who restored it only uses grease pencils when he restores a
poster.....he does not airbrush........he used the closest color he had. If he
did use an airbrush I'm sure it would look "better".
yes....the many creases are still visible..........we actually say so in
the description and we included a super large photo so any potential buyer can
see what they are actually getting.
David Lieberman
CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 --
Scottsdale, Az 85260
Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By
Appt. Only.
In a message dated 9/9/2009 5:17:22 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
dialmbb...@aol.com writes:
I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE FOLLOWINF POST:
In a message dated 9/9/2009 3:36:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
m...@vintagemovieart.ca writes:
I asked for a link as soon as I heard a backer/dealer wanted it sold by
another dealer. I took a close look at the large picture and there is web and
creases throughout the poster.
This is not easy to asses from a picture and I could be totally wrong.
But there is a chance that this poster went through a bleach bath and things
did not go to well, which would explain the wash out of colors and the
possibility that the paper got burned in to a pulp stage. That would explain
why there is creases and criss cross touch up patterns throughout the poster.
To me it looks like the poster and paper is in rough shape.
I have been suggesting that there are other problems with this poster.
You see this with the enlargement feature. While fading is one of the worst
disasters, the defects of this poster is not limited to just that. We can
guess, like VintageMovirArt stated, as to the need for crisscross touch up
patters. THOSE ARE DEFECTS!!!!
But....i have suggested that those touch-up patterns reveal something:
since the touch-ups are a different color/shade of orange---->>>DONT YOU THINK
IT FADED AFTER THE RESTORATION.
AND DO YOU AGREE THAT THE SHADING IS DIFFERENT FROM ONE SIDE AND FROM TOP
TO BOTTOM AND SIDE TO SIDE OF THE IMAGE????
michael
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