2010-04-11 23:01, Brian Schweitzer skrev:
>
> > I know, I should have phrased the question differently. How
> about this:
> > When are we dealing with "plain" conductor (not guest, not
> chief)? You
> > could argue that if you're not employed (as chiefconductor),
> then you're
> > a guest conductor?
> >
> > /symphonick
> >
> >
> > No, because they cuold also be just a 'conductor'; 'chief' (aka
> > 'principal' ) is a title. A conductor emeritus is neither guest nor
> > principal, and none of these - a cohabitating conductor-in-residence,
> > and secondary/tertiary conductors for an opera (or large work,
> such as
> > the 1812 overture, which can have 2+ conductors) - would be guest,
> > principal, or emeritus. The person's title can also just be (and
> > frequently is) 'conductor'.
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
> Heavy stuff :-( Just to clarify, this was regarding artist-artist ARs.
> Let's see if we can sorten this out, I'm still somewhat lost...
>
> Foo is/was conductor for group A
> Boo is/was chiefconductor for group B
> Moo is/was guestconductor for group M
>
> artist-artist, has nothing to do with who conducted what on a specific
> release. As I understand: "what is/was this artist position in that
> group"
>
> Foo conducted Track 1
> Goo guest-conducted Track 2
>
> This is what we have for artist-track (& I don't approve of GC-track
> unless "Guest" is written in the credits on the release - and so far I
> haven't seen it done - anyone?)
>
>
> Just to clarify,
>
> Going down the possibilities, in order from a brand new conductor to one
> who's at/past retirement,
>
> (artist-artist)
>
> Foo is/was an assistant conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was an associate conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was a conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was a principal conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was a conductor emeritus for Bar
> ----
> Foo is/was an assistant {{instrument}} conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was an ssociate {{instrument}} conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was a {{instrument}} conductor for Bar
>
> The other two potential attribute combinations wouldn't make sense, but
> would be:
> Foo is/was a principal {{instrument}} conductor for Bar
> Foo is/was a {{instrument}} conductor emeritus for Bar
>
> At the moment, I have no 'guest' attribute on the artist-artist AR, as
> that seems a function of the recording, not a position with another
> group. (And 'principal' is I think clearer than 'chief'.)
>
> Some groups may not have more than a single conductor - so assistant,
> associate, and principal would get skipped; it's more when you get to
> the really large and well known orchestras, or opera companies, that
> those become important. The same for 'emeritus' - it's primarily an
> honorary title in most cases, and again, that seems to be the case for
> larger orchestras/etc - for smaller orchestras, they typically just
> retire entirely, rather than still holding an honorary title.
>
associate I'm not familiar with?
assistant - maybe you're technically a assistant to another conductor,
right? For example Barenboim - Dudamel if I recall correctly.
"instrument" conductor? Principal [instrument] I understand...
> (artist-track/release)
>
> Foo additionally conducted track/release
> Foo conducted track/release
> (plus the instrument, vocal, and orchestra combinations of the above.)
>
eh? combinations?
> At the moment,
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Conductor_Relationship_Type_Proposal
> doesn't
> include guest (see my comment on that elsewhere, a few days ago.) So
> you would also add 'guest' as an attribute of the artist-track/release
> AR (I'd agree), or also of the artist-artist AR (as you say, that sounds
> confusing).
>
Well, it's a commonly used title, I think. Regardning artist-artist. And
it leads to confusion, as you have already witnessed. Thinking about
guest artist-track, I'm not sure you can guest conduct a symphony
really. You are a guest to the orchestra, not to the recording? Or
that's how I'd like the guest attribute to work in general, I suppose. :-)
/symphonick
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
>
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