Joel - Evernote - yes, horrible for tree structures.
- MindManager - works quite well once you learn the powerful hotkeys, but any mindmap becomes visually messy when too much data (& too many nodes...). Also take a long LONG time to open on my otherwise fast PC. Plus it just crashed when I tried pasting in about 250 items...(!) - Excel - Yes, I guess you could have successive columns for successive layer of hierarchy... however I know of no easy hotkey way to whiz items up and down the list (i.e. to swap rows at a single keystroke)... let alone up and down the tree... Cutting and pasting entire rows is painful! - MLO for pure facts? Yes, *MAYBE*... but in truth MLO wasn't really *designed* for this, and I feel in my bones I will find myself seeing facts when I want to see tasks... (plus possible formatting conflicts??).... moreover if I ever wanted to store more complex data (e.g. tables, photos, other media etc) I would be screwed. - er... OneNote? Does anyone here use it? TBO, I am reluctant to even try it because I already pay FAR to much in license fees to Micro$oft... ! [deep sigh] J On 14 January 2015 at 05:14, Joel Azaria <fhsny....@gmail.com> wrote: > If your data fits into the "tree" structure, as seems to be what you're > saying, then MLO is probably great for storing that data. > Rather than starting another .ml file (imho switching files is too much > effort and I subscribe to David Allen's idea of "1 filing system"*) just > create another item at the top level of your structure and mark at "hide in > to do". You can also mark it as a folder if you wish. > > The advantage of this imo, is that everything is in one place. You can > easily move/copy items into projects as needed and as I recently learned > you can make links between MLO items so you can link these to their > projects or vice versa link from the project to this supporting info. > > Every software has it's strengths and weaknesses. Organizing things in a > tree view, then searching/filtering that tree, is not just an MLO strength > but one of the things it does better than it's competition and almost as > well if not better than many dedicated outliners I've tried. I have to go > back to Shadow Plan or Bonsai on the PalmOS to think of something better. > > Just to hit your other points: > > - Evernote - great tagging, horrible tree structure outliner. It's > just not the paradigm of the software and while you may be able to work it > out (as many have) there's always some workaround or kludge involved. > - Mind Manager - not especially familiar but if it's as many other > mind mapping programs it's great for that and horrible at tree structure > order. If you like this paradigm though and still want a semblance of an > "outline" or tree structure, have a look at a software called "TheBrain". > There is a free version but you will need the payed version for "outline > view", which is what approximates the tree outline/tree structure. Free > version gives 30 or 45 days trial to the pro features so give it a shot if > you think it might fit. > - It's true strength is really in more freeform links than simple > tree structure (linking 1 or more items to 1 or more other items in > various > 'relationships'). In this regard you might find it very good for > everything on your list though imho keep the project stuff in mlo. > TheBrain is definitely strong for entering lists of people and linking > them > in relationships to other people, entities (employers, associates, > family > et al) Personal insights and general knowledge stuff it works well for > too. The key is you have to prefer seeing things in a "visual" format - > much like an 'infinite' mindmap. I use it for specific purposes and as > a > general database and it works quite well for me at that. > - Excel - Just not made for this and once your lists grow beyond some > threshold you'll notice. But it seems you might already get that. > > And while you didn't ask I see others are offering password managers so > I'll suggest Roboform. Been using for over 15 years and never had reason > to question integrity or security (unlike LastPass, which I'd tell you to > steer clear of). I see another user suggests McAfee. That company > abandoned their integrity years ago (maybe even before John McAfee sold it > if memory serves) so I'd advise to steer clear of them as well. (For > anything) > > hth. > > > > *David Allen in his book GTD encourages the reader strongly to move > *everything* into one unified filing system. The only real exception, per > his book, is single or special purpose filing systems - eg in a law firm > there is a filing system for all the legal cases (by eg. case #) or an > architect's office might have all the projects filed separately (e.g by > project number) and these should be left as is. Everything else in your > life should migrate to one system. > > On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 11:49:14 AM UTC-5, John Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> What tool(s) do you good people use for general-purpose list management? >> >> i.e. Do you use MLO to store *factual* information - presumably in a >> different .ML file(!) - as well as using MLO for managing your task & to-do >> lists. >> >> I need to create pretty large files (containing say 10,000+ records), >> containing multi-level hierarchical factual information on a wide variety >> of subjects. >> >> e.g. Evernote (which I have never used seriously myself - but I think >> it's USP is to allow the tagging of external files such as images...) >> e.g. MindManager (which fairly well - but it's going to get messy >> presenting such huge files visually. Also renewal fees are expensive.) >> e.g. MS Excel (no quick & easy way to move things around the hierarchy, >> me thinks) >> >> I am thinking about what you might call "support lists" for some of my >> projects. The information contained would NOT be actionable (mostly at >> least). >> For example: >> - List of areas & facts about a huge project I am involved with... and >> important information about the different sections of the project. >> - Lists of jargon on new subjects that I am studying >> - Lists of personal insights on various topics that I need to record >> somewhere >> - Lists of people interested in particular subjects >> - List of interesting general knowledge facts, that I'd like to >> remember... >> etc etc >> >> It would be important to be very easily be able to create tree-like >> hierarchical structures in the data, and to be able to whiz things up and >> down the hierarchy v easily (e.g. using hotkeys) too. >> Ideally it would be nice to have links between branches of the tree(s) >> too (which I don't think MLO can do[??]) >> >> - How do you manage your non-actionable lists? >> >> J >> >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mylifeorganized/_xOhF94AqFo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/e2e31653-24d0-4715-8490-76e947e2b6e9%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/e2e31653-24d0-4715-8490-76e947e2b6e9%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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