Hi Lisa I made a view called FVP (the name of Mark Forster's latest system), and I keep this view only on Android. It is defined very simply, based on To-Do rather than Outline, no filter, no grouping, and manual-ordering. I specify the chain of tasks as he suggests by starring them, and work backwards through the chain. After finishing working on an item I delete it if finished, or drag it to the bottom of the list and remove the star. Of course it's a bit more complex than that, but that's it in a nutshell.
And yes, I pull from across the outline. I have a primary branch called In progress, and I drag active roles into it, or from it to a hidden branch, often several times during the day (it's quicker than on-the-fly hiding and showing branches); this determines which tasks show up in the to-do lists and therefore in FVP. I zoom in sometimes for focus. But I follow the FVP principles whatever shows up in the list. All the best Laurence *www.laurenceglazier.com <http://www.laurenceglazier.com>* On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Lisa Stroyan <lstro...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is the solution you ended up with on Android? Manually ordered list? > Do you pull from across the task tree or are you working in the outline? > Just curious! > > Lisa > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Laurence Glazier < > laurence.glaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have made that mistake once, but not this time. Only one Inbox! >> >> I have decided to look at the manual sync issues positively. I'll limit >> my use of Mark Forster's systems to the Android, and view that as a bonus >> facility which comes with the Android platform. I always have my phone with >> me and the Windows version is very useful for inboxing and multiple-select >> operations. >> >> That way I can enjoy all the benefits and look-and-feel of the Android >> app without trying to manipulate it with extra contexts/stars/sorting >> tricks! Thanks so much for all your time and suggestions. :)) >> >> Laurence >> >> >> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 10:22:55 PM UTC, Dwight Arthur wrote: >> >>> Is there any chance that you have more than one inbox? >>> -Dwight >>> MLO Betazoid on Android SGN4 >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2015, Laurence Glazier <laurence.glaz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Update - I found that if I set the context for Inbox on the Android >>>> device, new items added inherit it. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 2:23:07 PM UTC, Laurence Glazier wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That's strange, Dwight, I am using the same handset, a Note 4. I will >>>>> look at this more closely and see if I can fix it before contacting >>>>> support. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 5:15:31 AM UTC, Dwight Arthur wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurence, on my Samsung Note 4 running Android 5.1.1 and MLO 2.0.14 >>>>>> new tasks added to the inbox inherit the context of the inbox folder. I >>>>>> have tried adjusting settings that seem as though they might have an >>>>>> impact >>>>>> but no matter what i do the inheritance continues to occur. I have no >>>>>> idea >>>>>> why it is not happening for you and I would suggest that you write to >>>>>> sup...@mylifeorganized.net >>>>>> -Dwight >>>>>> MLO Betazoid on Android SGN4 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, Laurence Glazier <laurence.glaz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A quick update. Using contexts seems to work quite well. One problem >>>>>>> you may be able to advise on. I ascribed the context "New none" to the >>>>>>> Inbox, and all tasks I inbox in Windows automatically get this context, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> on Android, whether I use the widget or the app to inbox intems, the >>>>>>> context is not set, so I have to do it by editing. Is there an Android >>>>>>> setting to make this automatic? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have just made a query about these issues on Mark Forster's >>>>>>> website at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://markforster.squarespace.com/blog/2015/5/21/the-final-version-perfected-fvp.html?postSubmitted=true¤tPage=3#comments >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 4:23:28 PM UTC, Laurence Glazier >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Dwight I might choose the path of outline based views. For >>>>>>>> the moment I have been tweaking the importance slider but I can see >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> may get harder as time goes on! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tried a different approach today, by using the Active by Context >>>>>>>> view. To move a task to the bottom of the list, I would set a context >>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>> on a date stamp, e.g. 151219/1 etc, which effectively puts it to the >>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>> of the list. In time, as these contexts become emptied, they would be >>>>>>>> deleted. However the synchronisation from Windows to Android did not >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> well. Tasks without contexts did not always show on the Android, but >>>>>>>> sometimes did. By creating a new context and putting all items without >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> context into it (called "New None") seemed to fix it. I may persevere >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> this idea for a while. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need to understand this aspect of MLO better. Even if it does not >>>>>>>> solve the immediate issue it is bound to help me in the future :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I might pose these questions, with a link to this thread, on a >>>>>>>> similar forum on Mark Forster's website which I think may have a >>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>> MLO users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laurence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 3:40:20 AM UTC, Dwight Arthur wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mention an important point. In a to-do list view, the included >>>>>>>>> tasks are shown in a flat list either ordered according to a defined >>>>>>>>> set of >>>>>>>>> sort rules or else ordered according to a manual sort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Outline views in contrast show the included tasks in a >>>>>>>>> hierarchical list. Most of the time, the entire view is ordered >>>>>>>>> according >>>>>>>>> to the order the tasks are in within the underlying profile. If you >>>>>>>>> specify >>>>>>>>> a sort rule in a hierarchical view, it will be used to sort the top >>>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>>> items; tasks in the branch below each top level item are unsorted, >>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>> they are in the order of the underlying profile outline. So if you >>>>>>>>> re-order >>>>>>>>> tasks within a folder, you are actually reorganizing the underlying >>>>>>>>> outline, and these changes will be synched. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can build custom hierarchical views that zoom in to a >>>>>>>>> particular branch, or that exclude any item whose contexts are all >>>>>>>>> closed, >>>>>>>>> or limit the display to active tasks (ie not hidden, no future start >>>>>>>>> date, >>>>>>>>> etc). Maybe something like this would serve you better. >>>>>>>>> -Dwight >>>>>>>>> MLO Betazoid on Windows, Cloud and Android SGN2 >>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2015 5:44 PM, Laurence Glazier wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Dwight >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will try something like that for the time being, and see how >>>>>>>>> well it works for me. I can revert to using Active Starred view, and >>>>>>>>> starring every task, which works though does not make the application >>>>>>>>> shine! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If there is a solution we have both overlooked, I suspect it is in >>>>>>>>> outline based views rather than to-do list ones. It may be that >>>>>>>>> synchronizing other manually ordered views will be needed to solve >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> one. And by then Mark Forster may well have come up with new >>>>>>>>> refinements to >>>>>>>>> his methods! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laurence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 5:38:44 PM UTC, Dwight Arthur >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link to FVP, it was an interesting read. I had >>>>>>>>>> been going to suggest something about using dependencies to form >>>>>>>>>> tasks into >>>>>>>>>> a chain but its clear that this would not help manage FVP. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I wanted to do this: I would use Importance. I would start by >>>>>>>>>> multiselecting all of the tasks in a chain and setting importance to >>>>>>>>>> zero. >>>>>>>>>> Then, whenever I want to put an FVP "dot" on a task I would up the >>>>>>>>>> importance by one >>>>>>>>>> - <alt>2, <alt>2, tab, right-arrow >>>>>>>>>> - if <general> section in task properties is collapsed, only one >>>>>>>>>> <alt>tab is needed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The next task I wanted to dot, I would set importance to two. >>>>>>>>>> Same hotkey sequence except two taps on the right-arrow key. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> somewhere around ten I would stop counting taps and just hold >>>>>>>>>> down the right arrow key until importance gets into the >>>>>>>>>> neighborhood, then >>>>>>>>>> use right arrow or left arrow to fine-tune it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the last task I dotted got importance 27 and I need to add a >>>>>>>>>> new task, I would add it with importance 28 and the next task dotted >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> be 29. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would work from a view that zoomed to a particular folder and >>>>>>>>>> displayed tasks sorted in order on ascending importance. Each folder >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> its own sequence of importance values and you have to remember the >>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> value so that you can assign a value one higher to the next dotted >>>>>>>>>> or added >>>>>>>>>> task. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you want to use FVP to select which task to do next across >>>>>>>>>> multiple folders? If so then the view should include all of the >>>>>>>>>> candidate >>>>>>>>>> folders and they should share a single sequence of importance values >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> drawbacks of this method: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. you need to use your own memory to track the next >>>>>>>>>> importance value for each chain. That, or else check the bottom >>>>>>>>>> of the view >>>>>>>>>> every time. >>>>>>>>>> 2. If you use the contents of different folders together in >>>>>>>>>> varying combinations you will need to assign a single string of >>>>>>>>>> importance >>>>>>>>>> numbers across folders >>>>>>>>>> 3. I suppose that every once in a while the rankings get >>>>>>>>>> stale and the piece of paper gets messy and you start over with a >>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>> sheet, right? The equivalent of this would be setting importance >>>>>>>>>> for all >>>>>>>>>> tasks back to zero. If you have more than 200 dotted or new tasks >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> resets you will run out of importance values. In that case I >>>>>>>>>> would set >>>>>>>>>> urgency for all affected tasks to zero at the reset as well, and >>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>> assigning importance number 200 to some task the next task would >>>>>>>>>> get urgency 1 and importance one, then urgency one and importance >>>>>>>>>> two and >>>>>>>>>> so on up to urgency one and importance two hundred, then urgency >>>>>>>>>> two and >>>>>>>>>> importance one and so on. By the time you get to urgency 200 and >>>>>>>>>> importance >>>>>>>>>> 200 you will have dotted 40,000 tasks which I think would be more >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> enough. Your view would then be sorted by urgency ascending and >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> importance ascending, next task at the bottom. This allows you >>>>>>>>>> longer lists >>>>>>>>>> but it's more complex and more to remember >>>>>>>>>> 4. Mobile: the lists and views will synch well and display >>>>>>>>>> well, but it could be terribly difficult on Android (and, I >>>>>>>>>> assume, iPhone) >>>>>>>>>> to assign an importance value of 7 (not 6 or 8) to a task. >>>>>>>>>> There's a slider >>>>>>>>>> that could be used but you would need a stylus to make fine-tuning >>>>>>>>>> adjustments and there's no confirmation of what number the slider >>>>>>>>>> is set >>>>>>>>>> to. So in my opinion you would need to analyze your queue and >>>>>>>>>> decide what >>>>>>>>>> you want to work on, on Windows and you could use mobile >>>>>>>>>> platforms to tick >>>>>>>>>> off completed tasks, capture new tasks, and have a peek at what's >>>>>>>>>> pending. >>>>>>>>>> 5. when a view gets longer than what fits on one page I could >>>>>>>>>> have trouble doing this. But I guess that drawback applies when >>>>>>>>>> doing it on >>>>>>>>>> paper as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 2:59:57 AM UTC-5, Laurence >>>>>>>>>> Glazier wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds intriguing! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, each successive activity in the chain is >>>>>>>>>>> more desirable (or less undesirable) than the preceding one. The >>>>>>>>>>> last one >>>>>>>>>>> in the chain is always the preferred one from the entire list. You >>>>>>>>>>> work on >>>>>>>>>>> that one. 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