Hi Matt,

 I have one of those old Soundcraft 200s (a B, I think; ;yes para 
mids)...............it's a pretty decent sounding board, but very limited 
routing, inputs, etc.. Guess I'll be the odd one out here and say I don't think 
the Mackie is all that bad. If you don't push it too hard (inputs, busses or 
any other point) it's really ok. I've done label release stuff on Mackies and 
if used within these constraints and the usual degree of care is put at mic, 
source, etc. they really don't get in the way at all. Now, I would NOT want to 
try and fix one.............I don't think they are made to be readily repaired. 
The newer ones may be stock full of surface mount ICs, the old ones are just 
stock full period. The advantage/trade off of the Mackie vs say the 200B or 
similar. The Mackie will have better SNR, lower distortion and decent 
routing/IO flexibility, but it "is what it is". An older board like the 200B 
will be easily repairable, you can swap out ICs for tone, noise, distortion, 
whatever AND a big + the modules pull out like a "real" console! I've used mine 
as an FX return mixer, for additional channels and for sub mix work. 


 Pretty much a "pick your poison" choice. The other Brit stuff from the '90s 
should be similar both good and bad to the 200B. A few of the specific ones 
I've worked with escape me at the moment. $ wise, you should get a really good 
return on your investment. Keep in mind the older stuff may well need re-caped, 
power supply work, etc..

Regards, Jim


Jun 15, 2011 03:09:01 AM, [email protected] wrote:

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This is all great stuff guys-- thank you.

I should have mentioned this, but I also need faders and mutes, so anything 
racked is out. I'm thinking either the Allen & Heath or the Soundcraft 200. 

Matt


On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Jim Mikles  wrote:



  
    
  
  
    If you only need effects returns, why not something like an Alesis
    MultiMix 8 Line (or a multitude of other line mixers).  Single rack
    space, 8 stereo line inputs to stereo outs, simple operation and
    integration, low cost.  Buy two!

    

    Jim

    

    On 6/14/2011 9:07 PM, os wrote:
    
      
      
      Hey Matt,
         I am a bid fan of the Allen &
            Heath Mix wizzards... 16 x 2 with 6 sends, 4 band eq, rack
            mountable..
      They are constructed a lot better than
            Mackies..etc.
      They use a verticle circuit board
            under each channel.
      I like the version 2 model the best.. 
            Version 1 used nylon jacks.
      Version 2 had metal jacks and internal
            conponents that are easy to repair..
      Version 3 went to surface mount which
            can be a pain to work on.
      I use one for live pa and small
            portable recording. They sound good.
      greg dwinell
      
        -----Original Message-----

            From: [email protected]
            [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Matt
            Walsh

            Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:08 PM

            To: [email protected]

            Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek supplement?

            

          
        Guys--

        

        Thanks so much for the recommendations. About the Soundcraft 200
        series-- what's the difference between the "b" the "bve" and the
        "sr". They look like the same input module to me, but I have
        only worked on Soundcraft and it was a Ghost.

        

        The Midas Venice is a bit out of my range, pricewise. 

        

        Best,

        Matt

        

        On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Josh
          Fry 
          wrote:

          If you want something super clean and a
            bit newer, you couldn't go past the Midas Venice. They may
            be a 'live' console, but they sound so far above their
            asking price. Pre's On them sound fantastic and the whole
            board is rock solid.

            

            Cheers,

            

            Josh

            

            Sent from my iPhone

            
              

                On 15/06/2011, at 6:59 AM, Matt Walsh 
                wrote:

                

                > Hi guys--

                >

                > I have a 28-input Series II and on some mixes, I
                could use more channels for reverbs, delays, etc. So I
                am thinking of getting a little "sidecar". Thing is, I
                don't have the space or money for a baby Neve or even a
                baby Neotek. For my application, it'd probably be okay
                to use something like a Mackie 1604. However, I know
                Yamaha and Allen and Heath-- among others-- make similar
                compact pretty-decent-seeming compact mixers.

                >

                > Does anyone have any experience with the mixers of
                this type? Is there a "best in breed"? I trust your
                opinions more than those of the Information
                Superhighway, so if anyone could weigh in, I'd be highly
                appreciative!

                >

                > Thanks!

                > Matt

              
            
            
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