I'll chime in and also defend the Mackie for such operations. I used a 24x8 bus and a 1604 (both VLZ), and come to think of it, a 1202 for plenty of tracking and even summing a few times. I'm not going to say its this incredible console or anything, but I have done plenty of pro level stuff with both boards when I had to. They are certainly quiet, and if they're kept clean, will operate flawlessly for many years. Its wise to keep them covered if you're in a dusty area, cause those little grey buttons can get pretty crackly and start to cause problems for the whole channel. But I think you'll be just fine to use them for FX returns and even utility pres for certain things. They have enough gain to drive something like an SM7 and aren't terribly noisy even at the top of their gain structure. I used the Onyx pres a couple times for a short amount of time and those seemed even quieter. They have little to no character, and by this I mean they are very clean, but for returns, I think you'd be more than fine to use those, and they can be had really cheap. The 24x8 and the 1604 have the added bonus of direct line outs, on the 24x8 one on each channel, on the 1604 I believe the first 8 channels do.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Hamilton <[email protected]>wrote: > Another thumb and 1/2 up for Mackie boards. In a Tape Op article, the > recordists of Beck's Midnight Vultures album indicated that they used a > Mackie console with a bevy of outboard pres and comps. Talent allegedly > sang into a 58 Shure on a couch facing the mains (no cans). So, for fading > and panning and bussing, it can be used with pro results, but you would > want > to rent or own as many boutique pres and comps as you'll need to use > (simultaneously), and, of course, a bank of Benchmarks or a Burl > Mothership. > And go to Gateway? (; > > Andrew > > > > > On 11/6/15 9:38, "Ike Zimbel" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm with Jim and Matt on this. Mackies work and sound fine and are > > probably the most reliable (at least the older ones that I'm used > > to...can't speak to current production) of any of the desks mentioned > > here (and I service them all). > > On Matt's suggestion, I have P&G faders and Neotek plates > > (I think for both the S-2 and the Elite/Elan series) in stock. As for > > the side car idea, I also have an Essence that I am parting out. The > > Essence "Monitor" modules have a fader, small LED ladder, Mute, Solo and > > 2 aux sends. I'm not at my shop to measure them, (and won't be until > > next Tuesday), but I'd say they are around 8"h x 1.75" w x 7" deep. They > > will definitely run off the power supply in any Neotek console, but > > depending on the console, you might need to derive a -25v rail for the > > logic functions. $30.00 each + shipping etc. Ping me off list for > details. > > best, > > Ike > > > > On 11-06-15 9:25 AM, Matt Syson wrote: > >> Hi > >> I agree a Mackie if not pushed is fine, there are actually very few > >> REALLY bad desks as long as you understand and can work around any > >> 'limitations'. > >> The Mackies are just a pain to work on as they are designed for > >> manufacture not maintenance. > >> Back to my alternative suggestion, faders, mutes, routing and PFL are > >> all possible to 'add on' especially if you have a convenient blank > >> panel or space somewhere on the desk. > >> Cutting slots for slide faders is a bit 'interesting' but there are > >> ways and means if you are cunning, plates from another breed of desk > >> perhaps or a visit to a machine shop with a CNC cutter / router > >> capability. > >> Matt S > >> > >> On 15/06/2011 13:13, Jim wrote: > >>> Hi Matt, > >>> > >>> I have one of those old Soundcraft 200s (a B, I think; ;yes para > >>> mids)...............it's a pretty decent sounding board, but very > >>> limited routing, inputs, etc.. Guess I'll be the odd one out here and > >>> say I don't think the Mackie is all that bad. If you don't push it > >>> too hard (inputs, busses or any other point) it's really ok. I've > >>> done label release stuff on Mackies and if used within these > >>> constraints and the usual degree of care is put at mic, source, etc. > >>> they really don't get in the way at all. Now, I would NOT want to try > >>> and fix one.............I don't think they are made to be readily > >>> repaired. The newer ones may be stock full of surface mount ICs, the > >>> old ones are just stock full period. The advantage/trade off of the > >>> Mackie vs say the 200B or similar. The Mackie will have better SNR, > >>> lower distortion and decent routing/IO flexibility, but it "is what > >>> it is". An older board like the 200B will be easily repairable, you > >>> can swap out ICs for tone, noise, distortion, whatever AND a big + > >>> the modules pull out like a "real" console! I've used mine as an FX > >>> return mixer, for additional channels and for sub mix work. > >>> > >>> > >>> Pretty much a "pick your poison" choice. The other Brit stuff from > >>> the '90s should be similar both good and bad to the 200B. A few of > >>> the specific ones I've worked with escape me at the moment. $ wise, > >>> you should get a really good return on your investment. Keep in mind > >>> the older stuff may well need re-caped, power supply work, etc.. > >>> > >>> Regards, Jim > >>> > >>> > >>> Jun 15, 2011 03:09:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >>> > >>> =========================================== > >>> > >>> This is all great stuff guys-- thank you. > >>> > >>> I should have mentioned this, but I also need faders and mutes, so > >>> anything racked is out. I'm thinking either the Allen& Heath or the > >>> Soundcraft 200. > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Jim Mikles wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you only need effects returns, why not something like an Alesis > >>> MultiMix 8 Line (or a multitude of other line mixers). Single > rack > >>> space, 8 stereo line inputs to stereo outs, simple operation and > >>> integration, low cost. Buy two! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 6/14/2011 9:07 PM, os wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey Matt, > >>> I am a bid fan of the Allen& > >>> Heath Mix wizzards... 16 x 2 with 6 sends, 4 band eq, rack > >>> mountable.. > >>> They are constructed a lot better than > >>> Mackies..etc. > >>> They use a verticle circuit board > >>> under each channel. > >>> I like the version 2 model the best.. Version 1 > >>> used nylon jacks. > >>> Version 2 had metal jacks and internal > >>> conponents that are easy to repair.. > >>> Version 3 went to surface mount which > >>> can be a pain to work on. > >>> I use one for live pa and small > >>> portable recording. They sound good. > >>> greg dwinell > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Matt > >>> Walsh > >>> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:08 PM > >>> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek supplement? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Guys-- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks so much for the recommendations. About the Soundcraft > >>> 200 > >>> series-- what's the difference between the "b" the "bve" and > >>> the > >>> "sr". They look like the same input module to me, but I have > >>> only worked on Soundcraft and it was a Ghost. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The Midas Venice is a bit out of my range, pricewise. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Josh > >>> Fry > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you want something super clean and a > >>> bit newer, you couldn't go past the Midas Venice. They may > >>> be a 'live' console, but they sound so far above their > >>> asking price. Pre's On them sound fantastic and the whole > >>> board is rock solid. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Josh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 15/06/2011, at 6:59 AM, Matt Walsh > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi guys-- > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> I have a 28-input Series II and on some mixes, I > >>> could use more channels for reverbs, delays, etc. So I > >>> am thinking of getting a little "sidecar". Thing is, I > >>> don't have the space or money for a baby Neve or even > a > >>> baby Neotek. For my application, it'd probably be okay > >>> to use something like a Mackie 1604. However, I know > >>> Yamaha and Allen and Heath-- among others-- make > >>> similar > >>> compact pretty-decent-seeming compact mixers. > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> Does anyone have any experience with the mixers of > >>> this type? Is there a "best in breed"? I trust your > >>> opinions more than those of the Information > >>> Superhighway, so if anyone could weigh in, I'd be > >>> highly > >>> appreciative! > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>> > >>>> Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> View the list online at: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> You can unsubscribe at anytime by sending an email to > >>> mailto:[email protected] > >>> with "unsubscribe neotek" in the message body. 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