I'm with Jim and Matt on this. Mackies work and sound fine and are probably the most reliable (at least the older ones that I'm used to...can't speak to current production) of any of the desks mentioned here (and I service them all). On Matt's suggestion, I have P&G faders and Neotek plates (I think for both the S-2 and the Elite/Elan series) in stock. As for the side car idea, I also have an Essence that I am parting out. The Essence "Monitor" modules have a fader, small LED ladder, Mute, Solo and 2 aux sends. I'm not at my shop to measure them, (and won't be until next Tuesday), but I'd say they are around 8"h x 1.75" w x 7" deep. They will definitely run off the power supply in any Neotek console, but depending on the console, you might need to derive a -25v rail for the logic functions. $30.00 each + shipping etc. Ping me off list for details.
best,
Ike

On 11-06-15 9:25 AM, Matt Syson wrote:
Hi
I agree a Mackie if not pushed is fine, there are actually very few REALLY bad desks as long as you understand and can work around any 'limitations'. The Mackies are just a pain to work on as they are designed for manufacture not maintenance. Back to my alternative suggestion, faders, mutes, routing and PFL are all possible to 'add on' especially if you have a convenient blank panel or space somewhere on the desk. Cutting slots for slide faders is a bit 'interesting' but there are ways and means if you are cunning, plates from another breed of desk perhaps or a visit to a machine shop with a CNC cutter / router capability.
Matt S

On 15/06/2011 13:13, Jim wrote:
  Hi Matt,

I have one of those old Soundcraft 200s (a B, I think; ;yes para mids)...............it's a pretty decent sounding board, but very limited routing, inputs, etc.. Guess I'll be the odd one out here and say I don't think the Mackie is all that bad. If you don't push it too hard (inputs, busses or any other point) it's really ok. I've done label release stuff on Mackies and if used within these constraints and the usual degree of care is put at mic, source, etc. they really don't get in the way at all. Now, I would NOT want to try and fix one.............I don't think they are made to be readily repaired. The newer ones may be stock full of surface mount ICs, the old ones are just stock full period. The advantage/trade off of the Mackie vs say the 200B or similar. The Mackie will have better SNR, lower distortion and decent routing/IO flexibility, but it "is what it is". An older board like the 200B will be easily repairable, you can swap out ICs for tone, noise, distortion, whatever AND a big + the modules pull out like a "real" console! I've used mine as an FX return mixer, for additional channels and for sub mix work.


Pretty much a "pick your poison" choice. The other Brit stuff from the '90s should be similar both good and bad to the 200B. A few of the specific ones I've worked with escape me at the moment. $ wise, you should get a really good return on your investment. Keep in mind the older stuff may well need re-caped, power supply work, etc..

Regards, Jim


Jun 15, 2011 03:09:01 AM, [email protected] wrote:

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This is all great stuff guys-- thank you.

I should have mentioned this, but I also need faders and mutes, so anything racked is out. I'm thinking either the Allen& Heath or the Soundcraft 200.

Matt


On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Jim Mikles  wrote:







     If you only need effects returns, why not something like an Alesis
     MultiMix 8 Line (or a multitude of other line mixers).  Single rack
     space, 8 stereo line inputs to stereo outs, simple operation and
     integration, low cost.  Buy two!



     Jim



     On 6/14/2011 9:07 PM, os wrote:



       Hey Matt,
          I am a bid fan of the Allen&
             Heath Mix wizzards... 16 x 2 with 6 sends, 4 band eq, rack
             mountable..
       They are constructed a lot better than
             Mackies..etc.
       They use a verticle circuit board
             under each channel.
I like the version 2 model the best.. Version 1 used nylon jacks.
       Version 2 had metal jacks and internal
             conponents that are easy to repair..
       Version 3 went to surface mount which
             can be a pain to work on.
       I use one for live pa and small
             portable recording. They sound good.
       greg dwinell

         -----Original Message-----

             From: [email protected]
             [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Matt
             Walsh

             Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:08 PM

             To: [email protected]

             Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek supplement?




         Guys--



Thanks so much for the recommendations. About the Soundcraft 200 series-- what's the difference between the "b" the "bve" and the
         "sr". They look like the same input module to me, but I have
         only worked on Soundcraft and it was a Ghost.



         The Midas Venice is a bit out of my range, pricewise.



         Best,

         Matt



         On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Josh
           Fry
           wrote:

           If you want something super clean and a
             bit newer, you couldn't go past the Midas Venice. They may
             be a 'live' console, but they sound so far above their
             asking price. Pre's On them sound fantastic and the whole
             board is rock solid.



             Cheers,



             Josh



             Sent from my iPhone




                 On 15/06/2011, at 6:59 AM, Matt Walsh
                 wrote:



>  Hi guys--

>

>  I have a 28-input Series II and on some mixes, I
                 could use more channels for reverbs, delays, etc. So I
                 am thinking of getting a little "sidecar". Thing is, I
                 don't have the space or money for a baby Neve or even a
                 baby Neotek. For my application, it'd probably be okay
                 to use something like a Mackie 1604. However, I know
Yamaha and Allen and Heath-- among others-- make similar
                 compact pretty-decent-seeming compact mixers.

>

>  Does anyone have any experience with the mixers of
                 this type? Is there a "best in breed"? I trust your
                 opinions more than those of the Information
Superhighway, so if anyone could weigh in, I'd be highly
                 appreciative!

>

>  Thanks!

>  Matt




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