well, the price is more like what it really should cost to make a phone - if the people making it are paid properly and not exploited.
so if you believe that people should be paid properly, & have good working conditions, then you should be prepared to pay this and more for phones & other technology. you also get good service - humans respond promptly to enquiries, there is a good online support forum, & you can send your phone back for safe recycling when you've finished with it. really, the price is very reasonable! h : ) On 27.05.2017 13:50, aharon wrote: > Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os.. > Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is > this difference in price the kind of number, in pounds, euros and > other currencies - of a person's mobile-linked freedom? > the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune? > > cheers! > > aharon > xx > > May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson" > <he...@creative-catalyst.com > <mailto:%22helen%20varley%20jamieson%22%20%3che...@creative-catalyst.com%3E>> > wrote: > > i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum > of alternative operating systems: > https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses > > (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the > standard fairphone kola nut OS) > > h : ) > > > On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote: > >> >> oh.. operating systems.. >> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep >> technologically cheap yet light.. >> hence still suffering android.. >> >> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence >> of quality free operating system for mobile devices? >> >> rant apart 😃 if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os >> for an old netbook laptop etc >> maybe check puppylinux,? >> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an >> old or new netbook >> without habing to deal with the commandline bits.. >> >> ciao from brasilia. >> aharon >> xxx >> >> -- >> Sent from myMail for Android >> >> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim >> sondh...@panix.com <mailto:sondh...@panix.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a >> graphic os on >> it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it! >> >> - Alan >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote: >> >> > It's only really the command line tools (which is still a >> lot!). >> > >> > I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few >> BASH scripts with >> > Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 >> Anniversary update >> > which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to >> install - and takes 3/4 >> > hour to not install :-( >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> >> >> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using >> limited memory (like >> >> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser - >> >> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in >> Win10 - I have it >> >> working there as well. It comes with the OS, >> >> >> >> - Alan >> >> >> >> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> thanks alan :) >> >>> >> >>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how >> quickly everything >> >>> runs! >> >>> >> >>> h : ) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in >> fact >> >>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs >> >>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a >> >>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the >> linux >> >>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most >> part, >> >>> lots of terminal stuff. >> >>> >> >>> Good luck with this! >> >>> >> >>> - Alan >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> hi everyone, >> >>> >> >>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for >> >>> advice about buying a >> >>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now >> >>> happily working with ubuntu >> >>> mate on a no-brand machine :) >> >>> >> >>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & >> >>> B-ware (ex-display) >> >>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, >> >>> acer, asus, etc etc ... ) >> >>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. >> >>> nothing was exactly what >> >>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. >> >>> i had a couple of >> >>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14", >> >>> must have ethernet port, >> >>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that >> >>> narrowed things down quite a >> >>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt >> >>> right. >> >>> >> >>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand >> >>> laptops with linux >> >>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could >> >>> choose the hard drive, >> >>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after >> >>> i ordered it. i took it >> >>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. >> >>> the trickiest thing i've >> >>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it >> >>> to talk nicely to my >> >>> printer - & i managed that without incident. >> >>> >> >>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard >> >>> shortcuts - it's easier to take >> >>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?), >> >>> & there are a couple of >> >>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that >> >>> there are no linux >> >>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a >> >>> tethered webcam for now. >> >>> but it is soooo much faster than my old mac, & i've >> >>> found most of the >> >>> software that i need. >> >>> >> >>> so if anyone else out there is also considering >> >>> making the switch to linux, >> >>> i say - just do it! 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