I just read this about women in Blockchain I get the feeling that simply "blockchain everything" ain't all that… For better #inclusion stats, see new @tech_we_trust & @holochain
refering to this article from the spring: https://insights.dcg.co/women-in-bitcoin-and-blockchain-tech-an-opportunity-f4b2f28cc77a stay strong y’all agee > On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:35, helen varley jamieson <he...@creative-catalyst.com> > wrote: > > i just read hito steyerl's chapter in "artists re:thinking the blockchain", > about art as an alternative currency, & the potential & problems therein. i > recommend it (it's not long, & it's also funny) > > h : ) > > On 19.10.2017 17:51, Edward Picot wrote: >> Rob, >> >> As far as I'm concerned your help would be greatly appreciated. I've had >> several looks at Ethereum, but I don't feel at all confident that I could >> actually implement something and make it work. Your coloured art coins look >> as if they at least halfway there. Do I gather that you created 13 of each >> colour, and offered them for sale? >> >> On the presentational side of this, the art listed on Maecenas, according to >> their site, 'will be held in purpose-built art storage facilities that not >> only ensure that the artwork is safe but also guarantee that it’s properly >> looked after', and the ArtReview article mentions that artworks are >> 'increasingly bought to be hidden away in warehouses in the peculiar >> nonzones known as freeports - tax- and customs-free spaces where objects >> are, legally, indefinitely ‘in transit’ between countries'. So I was >> wondering if our non-existent artwork should have some kind of physical >> location. An empty crate housed at the Furtherfield gallery might be nice. >> The other option that occurred to me derives from Flann O'Brien's novel The >> Third Policeman. One of the policemen in the book (MacCruiskeen) has a hobby >> of making tiny boxes, each tinier than the previous one, which he keeps one >> inside the other. When he unpacks them the tiniest of the lot is completely >> invisible, and in fact there's really no way of telling that it exists at >> all. 'The one I am making now,' he says, 'is nearly as small as nothing.' >> So another option would be to say that our on-existent artwork was housed >> inside MacCruiskeen's tiniest box, and perhaps give a map-reference for it, >> whilst warning people that unfortunately it's so small that it can't be seen. >> >> What do other people think? >> >> Edward >> >> >> >> On 18/10/17 05:04, Rob Myers wrote: >>> Yes I can help if anyone is interested. >>> >>> Precedent-wise there's - >>> >>> http://interaccess.org/event/2017/bitcoin-ethereum-and-conceptual-art >>> >>> Or my own - >>> >>> http://robmyers.org/art-coins-coloured/ >>> >>> But neither of these are *nothing*. :-) >>> >>> - Rob. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, at 10:36 AM, Edward Picot wrote: >>>> Great! - I'm not sure where you go with it after that, though. >>>> >>>> You could offer something non-existent for sale on OpenBazaar easily >>>> enough. That would be one option. What appealed to me, though, was the >>>> idea of selling shares in a non-existent work of art, in the hope that the >>>> shares would keep changing hands and their value would keep increasing, so >>>> that if you retained something like a 25% stake in the work, that stake >>>> would keep increasing in value too. >>>> >>>> The paradox, of course, would be that by announcing that you were creating >>>> a non-existent work of art, and offering shares in it, you would in effect >>>> be creating an actual conceptual work of art about the marketing and the >>>> market value of art. That's why I thought the images from Curt Cloninger's >>>> essay about nothing would be appropriate (for advertising the existence, >>>> or rather non-existence, of the work and the availability of shares), >>>> because he's investigating the paradox that you can't create a >>>> representation of nothing without that representation being a something. >>>> >>>> I expect Rob could advise about how to set up the shares thing. >>>> >>>> Edward >>>> >>>> On 15/10/17 16:22, ruth catlow wrote: >>>>> Not sure this is the best tool >>>>> https://etherpad.net/p/MarlyStudiedTheQuotations >>>>> >>>>> but a place to start >>>>> >>>>> On 15/10/17 16:15, ruth catlow wrote: >>>>>> I'd be up for thinking this one through. >>>>>> Let's do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote: >>>>>>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the first one hadn't >>>>>>> worked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote: >>>>>>>> Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create a conceptual work >>>>>>>> of art that didn't actually exist at all - we could use some ideas >>>>>>>> from Curt Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it - and >>>>>>>> market shares in it via the Blockchain? Proceeds to Furtherfield, >>>>>>>> unless the value went above a trillion dollars, in which case I want a >>>>>>>> cut. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Edward >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Perfectly put Helen! >>>>>>>>>> Art reframed as a new asset class for fractional ownership ain't my >>>>>>>>>> idea of utopia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down again. This, she >>>>>>>>> supposed, was the aspect of art that she had the most difficulty >>>>>>>>> understanding. Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking with >>>>>>>>> a broker in New York, arranging the purchase of a certain number of >>>>>>>>> "points" of the work of a particular artist. A "point" might be >>>>>>>>> defined in any number of ways, depending on the medium involved, but >>>>>>>>> it was almost certain that Picard would never see the works he was >>>>>>>>> purchasing. If the artist enjoyed sufficient status, the originals >>>>>>>>> were very likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw them at >>>>>>>>> all. Days or years later, Picard might pick up that same phone and >>>>>>>>> order the broker to sell. 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