i just read hito steyerl's chapter in "artists re:thinking the blockchain", about art as an alternative currency, & the potential & problems therein. i recommend it (it's not long, & it's also funny)
h : ) On 19.10.2017 17:51, Edward Picot wrote: > Rob, > > As far as I'm concerned your help would be greatly appreciated. I've > had several looks at Ethereum, but I don't feel at all confident that > I could actually implement something and make it work. Your coloured > art coins look as if they at least halfway there. Do I gather that you > created 13 of each colour, and offered them for sale? > > On the presentational side of this, the art listed on Maecenas, > according to their site, 'will be held in purpose-built art storage > facilities that not only ensure that the artwork is safe but also > guarantee that it’s properly looked after', and the ArtReview article > mentions that artworks are 'increasingly bought to be hidden away in > warehouses in the peculiar nonzones known as freeports - tax- and > customs-free spaces where objects are, legally, indefinitely ‘in > transit’ between countries'. So I was wondering if our non-existent > artwork should have some kind of physical location. An empty crate > housed at the Furtherfield gallery might be nice. The other option > that occurred to me derives from Flann O'Brien's novel The Third > Policeman. One of the policemen in the book (MacCruiskeen) has a hobby > of making tiny boxes, each tinier than the previous one, which he > keeps one inside the other. When he unpacks them the tiniest of the > lot is completely invisible, and in fact there's really no way of > telling that it exists at all. 'The one I am making now,' he says, > 'is nearly as small as nothing.' So another option would be to say > that our on-existent artwork was housed inside MacCruiskeen's tiniest > box, and perhaps give a map-reference for it, whilst warning people > that unfortunately it's so small that it can't be seen. > > What do other people think? > > Edward > > > > On 18/10/17 05:04, Rob Myers wrote: >> Yes I can help if anyone is interested. >> >> Precedent-wise there's - >> >> http://interaccess.org/event/2017/bitcoin-ethereum-and-conceptual-art >> >> Or my own - >> >> http://robmyers.org/art-coins-coloured/ >> >> But neither of these are *nothing*. :-) >> >> - Rob. >> >> >> On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, at 10:36 AM, Edward Picot wrote: >>> Great! - I'm not sure where you go with it after that, though. >>> >>> You could offer something non-existent for sale on OpenBazaar easily >>> enough. That would be one option. What appealed to me, though, was >>> the idea of selling shares in a non-existent work of art, in the >>> hope that the shares would keep changing hands and their value would >>> keep increasing, so that if you retained something like a 25% stake >>> in the work, that stake would keep increasing in value too. >>> >>> The paradox, of course, would be that by announcing that you were >>> creating a non-existent work of art, and offering shares in it, you >>> would in effect be creating an actual conceptual work of art about >>> the marketing and the market value of art. That's why I thought the >>> images from Curt Cloninger's essay about nothing would be >>> appropriate (for advertising the existence, or rather non-existence, >>> of the work and the availability of shares), because he's >>> investigating the paradox that you can't create a representation of >>> nothing without that representation being a something. >>> >>> I expect Rob could advise about how to set up the shares thing. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On 15/10/17 16:22, ruth catlow wrote: >>>> Not sure this is the best tool >>>> https://etherpad.net/p/MarlyStudiedTheQuotations >>>> >>>> but a place to start >>>> >>>> On 15/10/17 16:15, ruth catlow wrote: >>>>> I'd be up for thinking this one through. >>>>> Let's do it. >>>>> >>>>> On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote: >>>>>> Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the first one >>>>>> hadn't worked. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote: >>>>>>> Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create a conceptual >>>>>>> work of art that didn't actually exist at all - we could use >>>>>>> some ideas from Curt Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to >>>>>>> represent it - and market shares in it via the Blockchain? >>>>>>> Proceeds to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a trillion >>>>>>> dollars, in which case I want a cut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edward >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow wrote: >>>>>>>>> Perfectly put Helen! >>>>>>>>> Art reframed as a new asset class for fractional ownership >>>>>>>>> ain't my idea of utopia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down again. This, >>>>>>>> she supposed, was the aspect of art that she had the most >>>>>>>> difficulty understanding. Picard, if that was the man's name, >>>>>>>> was speaking with a broker in New York, arranging the purchase >>>>>>>> of a certain number of "points" of the work of a particular >>>>>>>> artist. A "point" might be defined in any number of ways, >>>>>>>> depending on the medium involved, but it was almost certain >>>>>>>> that Picard would never see the works he was purchasing. If the >>>>>>>> artist enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very >>>>>>>> likely crated away in some vault, where no one saw them at all. >>>>>>>> Days or years later, Picard might pick up that same phone and >>>>>>>> order the broker to sell. 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