Hi Martin, In BBF this pointer from HW to interface will be available (it has been proposed in the Berling BBF meeting already).
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Any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited without the prior consent of its author. >> -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:m...@tail-f.com] Sent: 29 August 2016 11:06 To: Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE) Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] BBF extensions to ietf-entity Hi, [We had mail server problems during the weekend, so this reply might not get the thread's history right.] "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE)" <bart.boga...@nokia.com> wrote: > Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote: > "Bogaert, Bart (Nokia - BE)" <bart.boga...@nokia.com> wrote: > > I would like to bring this to the ietf-entity group. Currently BBF > > is proposing to add new RW leafs to the entity object. This is done > > in the context of plugable entities and hence it means that when an > > operator (via a NC client) configures a plugable item it is required > > to define the entity type. For this reason additional RW attributes > > are needed. Two of the new leafs are class and contained-in (same as the RO class leaf). > > > > - class: we think that the class leaf needs to be mandatory but > > adding this via an augment is not possible as we can't add a > > mandatory leaf via an augment. Making class implicit for the client > > based on "some information" exchanged between device vendors and > > management applications is maybe not such a sound approach. > > Can you explain in more detail how this would be used? The idea is > that 'class' is a property of the physical hw, and that the underlying > system provides this info. I can see that it could be useful for the > client to set this if the system can't do the classification (i.e., > the system-set value is 'unknown'). But that's probably not the use > case you had in mind? > > [Bart Bogaert] Assume you have a system with a number of slots that > can hold several different cards and the system was deployed in the > field with some cards inserted and some other slots that were still > left empty. When an operator wants to extend the system we can have 2 ways of doing this: > 1. a field engineer goes 'on-site' and plugs cards in the system. If > done this way, the system itself can detect what has been inserted and > we do not really need the RW leafs. However in this case an operator > has to wait configuring user services on these cards until they are inserted. > 2. the network operator determines that a node will "run out" of > available ports and hence wants to start planning new configuration > and hence he wants to configure some boards in the empty slots and > even may want to start to pre-configure certain data of the ports > contained by these boards. In that case we need the RW leaf to > indicate which board type will be inserted as the service that can be > offered depends on the board being inserted. When the board is > inserted, the planned configuration can directly be applied to the > newly inserted board (given the fact that the detected class is the same as the planned class). Shouldn't this be handled by the support for pre-configuration in the interfaces data model? I.e., the general model would be that the entity/hardware list is monitoring of the hardware that is really present, and other models that need to refer to this hardware (like interfaces) support pre-configuration. The interface model lacks an explicit pointer to the entity/hardware model; but in many systems this reference is implicit in the name of the interface. /martin > There are customers using method 1 and other customers use method 2. > > > - contained-in: for plugable items contained-in requires to be > > mandatory too as a plugable item can't be "floating" in the device. > > Can you explain in more detail what this means, and provide some use > cases? > > [Bart Bogaert] For DSL we are faced with "wiring" aspects that "ripple > through" to the MDF. So assume we again have a system with plugable slots. > If we have 2 slots containing the same type of board (same class) and > the operator is applying the pre-configuration mode of working (method > 2 in above), we have to be sure that user A, connected to the first > port of the board plugged in the first slot will really be in slot 1. > If the NC client has no means to detect which board is plugged in > which slot (they are both of the same class) we need other means to > ensure the containment is as intended (and user A being connected to > the first port of the board in slot A is also visualized as such on > the GUI of the NC client). Using the serial number of the board seems > not very practical as board may break and are sent to repair or > replaced by another board of the same type but with a different serial > number. I do not think operators will like it a lot to manage a > system in a manual way based on these attributes hence also a need to plan a board in a specific slot.
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