On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:47:08 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: > selinux may be good. it may be extraordinarily good. it is not > perfect, therefore at some point in time, a way or ways will be > found to subvert it to greater or lesser degrees. those attacks > will be addressed and the weaknesses rectified, but the damage > will happen. > > i'm not tryig to be rude when i say this: that same cocky > self-assurance is what allowed Challenger to happen - and i'm > american and it still hurts like hell every time i remember, but > assumptions didn't stop it from happening nor will it stop it > from happening again. if man is involved, it will fail > eventually. linux is no different in thaat regard than anything > else manmade. more thoughtfully addressed and nurtured, but > still vulnerable.
That's not really the issue, as we were discussing before. I think you even said it, Linux, Unix, whatever platform will never be 100% secure, but as always, I would put a default install of Mandrake up against a patched and configured Windows box any time and bet on a winner. Everything is relative, there are no absolutes... LOL! However, when you talk about something like SELinux, the law of diminishing returns would seem to dictate that the cost/effort would simply be out of sight for anyone below the level of extreme-l33t-haxor to attempt an exploit. In implementing SELinux, the NSA is putting up a platform that they hope will be mostly impervious to anything except a hacker who is backed by the budget and resources of an entire *State*. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick
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