On Wednesday 29 October 2003 07:05 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: > On Wednesday 29 October 2003 07:30 am, robin wrote: > >An analogy is website design. I write, or at > > least try to write, standards-compliant HTML/CSS. If it comes out > > fine in Mozilla, I can be pretty damn sure it'll look OK in Opera > > or Konqueror. I also know that there is a risk that Internet > > Explorer will mangle my code, so from time to time I test my pages > > in IE. I can't be bothered to spend a lot of time on workarounds > > to makesure my pages look exactly right on IE, but I at least want > > them to be legible (same applies to things like Netscape 4.*). I > > can't afford to take the view that any problem is Microsoft's fault > > and not my problem, because 90% of people viewing my pages will be > > using IE. > > Of course, in your view, you test on software that is available for > free. So, when IE becomes non-standalone with the next version and > the only way to obtain the newest version is to purchase the entire > Windows OS for $$$, is your view going to remain the same about > testing on IE? IOW, are you going to buy the OS and a box to install > it on in order to test your web design? And, BTW, you will need a > dedicated box because the palladium, er trusted computing initiative > stuff will guarantee that you need the entire box dedicated to > Windows. > > > The same applies to LG CDROMs. I don't know how common they are > > where the developers live, but here in Turkey, they are the most > > common drives, because they're cheap, and actually more reliable > > than their main rival, Sony. Whateverthe problems, the kernel > > should have been tested on them. > > The reason that standards exist is to eliminate the need for > developers to buy one of each different type of drive and test it. > That is really the only way to insure compatibility. On the other > hand, it would have been trivial for LG to test each of their drives > on Linux to insure compatibility and if they did not do so, it is up > to the user who chooses to install Linux on his hardware to test and > insure that it is okay before they commit to it. At the very least, > you should purchase a drive that either others have used before, or > that is built to published (and compatible) standards and then hold > the manufacturer culpable if those standards are not correct. > > Buyer beware is a VERY small price to pay for what we have been given > with Linux. This endless bitching about someone else not assuming > all responsibility for what each of us do ourselves is really > starting to wear thin on me. > > For anyone that doesn't want to take responsibility for learning, > knowing and understanding their own hardware and software, there is > an alternative. It is called Windows. > > > [snip] > > > > > Be careful what you wish for.. if Mandrake were to adopt a > > > position of responsibility for LG's error, you would unlikly see > > > anything "cutting edge" in mandrake till long after someone else > > > has done it first... > > > > As I said, the fault at the Linux end is really with the kernel > > developers more than with Mandrake. > > Actually, I disagree. The fault is with a manufacturer that deviated > from known and published standards, and then failed to notify their > customers that they had done so, and in doing so, created the > potential for disaster. > > I really don't get the point back to Linux kernel developers. How > could they have ever expected any hardware manufacturer to do > something as stupid as match up a firmware upgrade command to > something as common as a clear buffer command? Given that they are > volunteering their time to all of us, why don't some of the current > crop of complainers pony up their own resources and start sending > hardware to the developers so that testing can be done? Instead of > pointing out problems, start providing solutions. > > > > To be honest, CDROM's being as cheap as they are now days.. throw > > > the dud one out .(or send it back to LG) and go and get yourself > > > a nice new burner or DVD player (or both) and get on with > > > life.... > > > > That's fine if we're talking about a home user with a decent > > salary. If we're talking about a school in a developing country > > with a load of CDROMs to replace, I imagine the techie who > > suggested switching over to Linux isproabbly looking for a job now. > > Given the difference in licensing costs on software, I imagine that > pointing out that the loss of a bunch of $12 drives not exceeding the > cost of paying some $200+ per computer (for windows) would help > deflect that particular criticism. Look at it like you buy a yugo pickup then when you load it up the tires pop Who's fault is it
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