damn I am glad my mail reader can block a sender
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Corbeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> Michael Holt wrote:
>
> > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> >
> > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike....correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > > list? Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list. The remedy here
> > > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > > served to confuse the issue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial
for longer
> > > than I can recall. When I first started learning about computers and
> > > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I
also had a
> > > few years of math and physics behind me. Nonetheless, if I think back
to before
> > > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough
explanation. Heck, my
> > > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8
years old;
> > > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.
> > >
> > > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone
else who's a
> > > newbie would also be confused. As I recall in school, in every
course, at every
> > > level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
> > >
> > > What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated,
is to
> > > stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.
Otherwise,
> > > I just ask questions for clarification.
> > >
> > > We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary
school, here;
> > > therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers. When
you don't
> > > like it, move on. If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this
will
> > > definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is,
you're
> > > pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak
for
> > > themselves.
> > >
> > > As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix
and
> > > programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux
systems
> > > administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of
context.
> > >
> > > Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on
very
> > > quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or
stick with
> > > the simpler responses they've received.
> > >
> > > How complicated do you want to make this?
> > >
> > > Some people in the newbie list have already proven that they're not
newbie; only
> > > to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in some and less
in others.
> > >
> > > By providing more thorough information in a newbie mailing list, as
well as more
> > > elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group. If you're not
happy with an
> > > answer which is correct, then skip. If you're not happy with an
answer which is
> > > not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then correct the
errors.
> > >
> > > This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, because
getting help
> > > inherently implies learning. Part of accepting to learn is accepting
to make
> > > errors or mistakes, and to learn from these.
> > >
> > > Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them something to chew
on?
> > >
> > > People using this list to get help for their employment should
subscribe to
> > > professional support mailing lists or resources; therefore, I don't
perceive
> > > these mailing lists except for the much more general audience,
including
> > > hobbiests. My case is neither of these, but instead merely learning,
to merely
> > > become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but without the
tuition
> > > fees and the piece of paper at the end. You'll find people using
these mailing
> > > lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to reduce or
restrict to
> > > people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality.
> > >
> > > If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or
approaches, then
> > > feel free. However, I wouldn't bother based on this thread, because
what
> > > I presented is not really above the newbie level. Again, I learned it
during my
> > > newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I tend to spend
a fair
> > > amount of time reading ahead and reading various documentation I come
across and
> > > which might be even remotely related. Just because others don't do
this, doesn't
> > > mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the newbie level.
> > >
> > > Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing when there's
an adequate
> > > amount of vitamins and minerals.
> > >
> > > I'm not knocking the response to set umask to 0 for the dos
partitions, in the
> > > fstab file, but also didn't present anything above newbie level.
Hence,
> > > argumentation or discourse.
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> >
> > Mike,
> > I've been watching your posts for the last couple of days. You
know, sometimes
> > it's just good to add a couple of lines to a post if you think you can
help, you
> > don't have to write a novel every time someone says 'help'. That's
about as helpful
> > as reading a howto. I have to agree with Alan here, you're not only
rambling, you
> > somehow seem to think that you're the only one with anything valid to
say.
>
> Now, that's a prime example of an ignorant ass who hasn't a clue about
true reality.
> Thanks for the illustration, because I prefer to provide analogies based
on real
> examples.
>
> Your pompous interpretations and renditions are worthy of only yourself,
and you're a
> fucking hypocrite, because if you had something truly worthy of saying,
then it
> wouldn't be based on pompeity.
>
>
>
> > You've
> > jumped on other people's answers to questions - patronizing the answers
that are
> > given.
>
> How did I patronize? That's only your assinine pompous interpretation,
but it's
> refreshing to see how assinine people do continue to exist. Be pompous.
Believe your
> interpretations are correct with giving a second thought wrt objectivity.
You'll prove
> the theory accurate every time.
>
> > You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable guy, and I think you do come up
with
> > some pretty good answers - maybe you could just calm down a bit? Not
everything has
> > to be confrontational.
>
> Who's confrontational, pompous idiots who believe they have the entire
definition of
> people they don't even know, or those who merely propose more information,
or
> information along a different tangent? Stick with your [stupid]
nonsensical ideas of
> what you believe to be reality, and if you truly want to see the results
of objective
> analysis, then I'm prepared to stand in front of the most objective and
sound thinkers
> on this planet, to confront the likes of a pompous idiot like yourself.
>
> I haven't a problem with that. Although, they might find me a little
offensive or too
> frank, they'ld quickly realize that "ah, reality is not a narrowly defined
picture", as
> you obviously like to define it. Get this dude, your narrow minded
definitions of what
> makes up reality and what doesn't, hasn't a single ounce of influence,
because you're
> pompous, and a damned idiot.
>
> Just call me FRANK. I CHERISH being FRANK; therefore, shove it where it
belongs, that
> is, your stupid assinine opinion.
>
> If you wish more such replies, then by all means, I have no contentions
with respect to
> telling you REALITY.
>
> Grow the f.ck up.
>
> truly,
> mike
>
>
> >
> >
> > another Mike
> >
> > --
> > ========================================================
> > The Penguins are coming!!!
> >
> > ========================================================
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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