What's that old saying? Work on it once and you own it?

-Kyle

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The transportation industry is a hot bed of lawsuits. When you get an
> obvious POS in for some work it automatically becomes your responsibility.
> We make recommendations for repair and if declined, the work order is
> amended and signed off. A signed, dated RO that outlines needed repairs that
> were declined by the owner keeps us out of court. I don't argue with
> customers, just make them accept responsibility. Our paper trail dates back
> MANY years. Use it everyday. Guy comes in and says it was in for a tune-up
> back in spring... yeah, 2003. End of dispute. Now, what can we do for you?
> While we haven't been sued, it's not like they don't try. Lawyer calls and
> tells you his client fell off a bike we serviced a short while ago... I
> produce the RO stating the bike needed tires and the customer signed off on
> not replacing them. Again, end of story. I don't get paid to produce work, I
> make things work out. I expedite repairs, avoid liabilty, and maintain
> integrity. Most of the people that come in and bust on us have no clue what
> an operation like ours entails.
> In case you're interested, I can provide you with MSRP markup % rates. (and
> don't forget the "S: in MSRP)
> No. I didn't fire him.
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/30/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 1:07 AM
>
>
> I wish it was because of fear of lawsuits. The store mgr kept one guy on
> because she thought he was poor because all he ate for lunch every day was a
> half dozen boiled eggs. He wasn't any poorer than anyone else, that was just
> some stupid diet he had found on the internet. Since I don't drink tho, I
> probably would have fired someone hungover.
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>  It does work when it's done carefully. I tell new people to never screw
>> up and try to hide it from me. Just come to me when you do it and we'll work
>> it out. Hide it and I find it, you're gone. When I come back from a test and
>> bring it in the garage and go for tools, the tech wants to know why. That's
>> a good time to turn it into a low-key education in the details that I want.
>> I always tell them when I like something and why I do. No hurt feelings,
>> always progress. I did the same in Fla. Nobody likes an outsider coming in
>> to run a place and I got more than a hint of animosity from the techs there.
>> (# Honda keeps a data base of field techs and management people that is
>> evaluated and updated. That's how I got the job) After a few weeks, a tech
>> came in hungover and I sent him home. Before he left I asked for his work
>> orders. He thought I was going to fire him. I just said Be here tomorrow. I
>> took his orders and finished his jobs during that day and nobody ever
>> questioned me again. The rule is "I was doing this before you were born.
>> Don't f%k with the old guy"
>> And. yes, not everything is golden. I have thief and a lazy SOB with us
>> now. Takes time to deal with both of them. You said it, really hard to fire
>> somebody with today's laws. The easiest reason is "incurring possible
>> liability issues".
>> FYI: we have never been sued. Now that takes work.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/30/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:28 AM
>>
>>
>> Wish I had had that kind of ctrl. I could fire someone, but all they had
>> to do was whine to the store mgr, who would go soft and keep them on. Kind
>> of hard to enforce anything when you've got a worker that now knows they
>> don't have to listen to a damn thing you say. After a while I gave up
>> trying. Thats the main reason I moved on.
>>
>> The main reason i quit letting Toyota do my oil changes is the loose drain
>> plugs. The 2nd one dumped all my engine oil 50+ miles away from home. I
>> turned it off in time, but figured I was just being lazy and could leave the
>> damn drain plug loose myself and safe a few $$. They could have used your
>> system.
>>
>> -Kyle
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>>  The whole shop. I run a tight ship as they say. We make money on
>>> warranty as well. That's something almost unheard of. To have survived since
>>> 1965 takes more than a little work. I sort of micro-manage things. Learned
>>> that from the boss's father who hired me from a Suzuki dealership. Honda had
>>> just come out with the CR line and he wanted a veteran two stroke wrench.
>>> His son took over years later and left me on my own to oversee the shop. The
>>> elder had been a mechanic for a Ford agency in the 30's on till 1959. A
>>> great guy, passed on in 1996. I never knew anybody with his people skills.
>>> All finished work must pass through my hands for approval. At first it looks
>>> a little authoritarian but in the end the guys learn that it's me who takes
>>> the hit if things don't go right. Additionally, they don't have to deal with
>>> customers. I'm always between them and the owner and the customer. Hey, it
>>> works.
>>> Oh yeah, you get used to the wailing of the damned here in hell. I was
>>> wondering if we should get red work uniforms ?
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:02 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that *your* return rate less than 1% or your whole shops? At the
>>> computer store I was able to keep my personal rate below 1%, but never could
>>> convince the other knuckleheads that its easier just to take the time to fix
>>> it right hte first time.
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  No, I don't. The parts manager does. I have worked in the field since
>>>> 1967 (Suzuki,Yamaha first) and have been service manager at our dealership-
>>>> (or should I say pits of hell ?) since 1972. (three years out to live in
>>>> Fla) I won't go into the finances of operating a dealership because at 
>>>> least
>>>> 95% of the forum hates our guts. Sometimes it amuses me to read all the 
>>>> back
>>>> alley fixes and shortcuts. I do give free advice. As if anybody cares.
>>>>  Sure, I'm a big OEM person. I have to keep the return rate below 3% ( I
>>>> do, less than one) I really don't care what people use for replacement
>>>> parts, it's their bike (and their butt).
>>>> When I stumbled on to this forum I thought more riders would be
>>>> interested in "improving the breed" instead of sustaining it on life
>>>> support. Guess again. We have spoke about IT work (to others grumbling) and
>>>> I do dabble in IT. I am first an engine builder and tuner. For the most 
>>>> part
>>>> I man a desk now. At 64 I look forward to retirement.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:03 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh don't tell me you do the needless markups? You know, there's a reason
>>>> my '03 taco is still ticking after 240K miles, because I use genuine toyota
>>>> parts. But I hate the fact that I can get the parts for 30 to 25% of what i
>>>> was originally quoted after pitting the two dealerships against eachother. 
>>>> I
>>>> suspect the same is true for this Honda, and I've had success lowering 
>>>> parts
>>>> by 60% already. Its possible, but its a hassle. I buy the best parts I can,
>>>> I feel cheated by the rediculous markups at the parts counter. I know you
>>>> gotta make a buck, but there's a guy at the toyota dealership that gives me
>>>> a really decent price each time, I ask for him by name now, he gets all my
>>>> commissions, more dealerships should get that message.
>>>>
>>>> -Kyle
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Do you think anybody will notice my horns if I wear a baseball cap ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:51 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew you had feelings for me, but geez! I'm flattered :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kyle
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love you too..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:37 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't worry, my contempt for satan, err, the dealership is directed
>>>>>> mostly towards the 300% markup parts counter guys. The fact that they 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> come down drastically in price so easily when pitted against eachother 
>>>>>> shows
>>>>>> that they're ridiculously marked up. Yeah, we had the tester hooked up to
>>>>>> both leads. They ran fine at first, but after running for a while they
>>>>>> started to fail. At different intervals ofcourse as one was in worse 
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> than the other. I too am hesistant to replace parts without making sure
>>>>>> that's the part that is bad, I'm also hesitant to break down on a houston
>>>>>> freeway during rushhour again. And then there's the ants...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Kyle
>>>>>> -Ormiga!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL 
>>>>>> PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  yeah, I have one of those testers. Did you check the plug cap
>>>>>>> resistance? They should be 5~10 meg each. If you examined the schematic 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the bike you will see that the output side of the coils is actually a 
>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>>> In effect, one plug fires from the center electrode and the other from 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ground strap. Both at the same time. One fires on an exhaust stroke 
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the other is on a compression stroke. With this in mind, if one plug 
>>>>>>> wire is
>>>>>>> off, both cease to function since the loop is broken. Now when the 
>>>>>>> tester is
>>>>>>> used by an amateur, it can show a bad component. I don't agree with the 
>>>>>>> jump
>>>>>>> start theory but anything is possible. I don't recall ever replacing a 
>>>>>>> coil
>>>>>>> set on one of those. The failure rate is below .3%. I have replaced 
>>>>>>> pulse
>>>>>>> coils on a fair number of those bikes. Failure is due to heat. Check
>>>>>>> resistance of those cold and hot. All I'm trying to do is completely 
>>>>>>> confirm
>>>>>>> failed component. If you are satisfied with the results as it stands 
>>>>>>> now,
>>>>>>> replace with OEM. One of my guys has a CB650sc with over 38k on it and 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> original electrics.
>>>>>>> Now I'll duck while all you dealer haters respond.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On *Sat, 9/27/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:32 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One was just out of specs, the other one had infinite resistance. I
>>>>>>> then took it to the local cycle shop that had a fancy ignition coil 
>>>>>>> tester.
>>>>>>> Nifty adapter on the end kind of like a dummy sparkplug you could screw 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> and out to adjust the gap on the fly. One coil could just barely make a
>>>>>>> spark at less than 1/4 inch, the other could spark almost twice that. 
>>>>>>> Both
>>>>>>> petered out after a few minutes, after they warmed up. I know the odds 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> both going bad are twice as unlikely, but one was definitely worse than 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other. That explains why it felt like my bike was only running on 2 cyls
>>>>>>> before it crapped out completely the other day when it was hot. And 
>>>>>>> after a
>>>>>>> few minutes cooling off it would run, but again like it was on half its
>>>>>>> cyls. Then after I let it set for 30 mins it cranked up and ran on all 
>>>>>>> cyls,
>>>>>>> even if it was still missing occasionally. One of the only situations I 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> think of that would cause both coils to fail around the same time would 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> jump starting off of a running car. I'm afraid that if the previous 
>>>>>>> owner
>>>>>>> tried that I may have more than just coil problems. This bike has had 
>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> single electrical system knackered in some form or another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Kyle
>>>>>>> -picked up "knackered" from watching TopGear ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How did you determine that ? Do you know what the odds of both going
>>>>>>>> bad at the same are ? Fall back and regroup. Fill me in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/26/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Coils?
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:06 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I finally got a chance to take a break from himmicane cleanup to
>>>>>>>> look at my bike today. Turns out the coils are dead, or we don't know 
>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>> work a multimeter. I'm fairly confident in my multimeter skills so I'm 
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to go with dead coils. Anyone have any recommendations on aftermarkets 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> stick with OEM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Kyle
>>>>>>>> -83CB650SC
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