My local Honda shop has been very good to me. They even gave me some gas line
one time and a leather vest for $10.00. They even kicked in two $50.00 gift
certificates for a fundraiser that my riding club was having. One time their
mechanic came out and looked at my bike free of charge too. Nice people. I
don't mind doing business with people like these.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Munz
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
Oh don't tell me you do the needless markups? You know, there's a reason my
'03 taco is still ticking after 240K miles, because I use genuine toyota parts.
But I hate the fact that I can get the parts for 30 to 25% of what i was
originally quoted after pitting the two dealerships against eachother. I
suspect the same is true for this Honda, and I've had success lowering parts by
60% already. Its possible, but its a hassle. I buy the best parts I can, I feel
cheated by the rediculous markups at the parts counter. I know you gotta make a
buck, but there's a guy at the toyota dealership that gives me a really decent
price each time, I ask for him by name now, he gets all my commissions, more
dealerships should get that message.
-Kyle
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you think anybody will notice my horns if I wear a baseball cap ?
--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:51 PM
I knew you had feelings for me, but geez! I'm flattered :)
-Kyle
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
I love you too..
--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:37 AM
Don't worry, my contempt for satan, err, the dealership
is directed mostly towards the 300% markup parts counter guys. The fact that
they will come down drastically in price so easily when pitted against
eachother shows that they're ridiculously marked up. Yeah, we had the tester
hooked up to both leads. They ran fine at first, but after running for a while
they started to fail. At different intervals ofcourse as one was in worse shape
than the other. I too am hesistant to replace parts without making sure that's
the part that is bad, I'm also hesitant to break down on a houston freeway
during rushhour again. And then there's the ants...
-Kyle
-Ormiga!
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
yeah, I have one of those testers. Did you check
the plug cap resistance? They should be 5~10 meg each. If you examined the
schematic for the bike you will see that the output side of the coils is
actually a loop. In effect, one plug fires from the center electrode and the
other from the ground strap. Both at the same time. One fires on an exhaust
stroke while the other is on a compression stroke. With this in mind, if one
plug wire is off, both cease to function since the loop is broken. Now when the
tester is used by an amateur, it can show a bad component. I don't agree with
the jump start theory but anything is possible. I don't recall ever replacing a
coil set on one of those. The failure rate is below .3%. I have replaced pulse
coils on a fair number of those bikes. Failure is due to heat. Check resistance
of those cold and hot. All I'm trying to do is completely confirm failed
component. If you are satisfied with the results as it stands now, replace with
OEM. One of my guys has a CB650sc with over 38k on it and all original
electrics.
Now I'll duck while all you dealer haters respond.
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:32 AM
One was just out of specs, the other one had
infinite resistance. I then took it to the local cycle shop that had a fancy
ignition coil tester. Nifty adapter on the end kind of like a dummy sparkplug
you could screw in and out to adjust the gap on the fly. One coil could just
barely make a spark at less than 1/4 inch, the other could spark almost twice
that. Both petered out after a few minutes, after they warmed up. I know the
odds of both going bad are twice as unlikely, but one was definitely worse than
the other. That explains why it felt like my bike was only running on 2 cyls
before it crapped out completely the other day when it was hot. And after a few
minutes cooling off it would run, but again like it was on half its cyls. Then
after I let it set for 30 mins it cranked up and ran on all cyls, even if it
was still missing occasionally. One of the only situations I can think of that
would cause both coils to fail around the same time would be jump starting off
of a running car. I'm afraid that if the previous owner tried that I may have
more than just coil problems. This bike has had ever single electrical system
knackered in some form or another.
-Kyle
-picked up "knackered" from watching TopGear ;)
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis
Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How did you determine that ? Do you know what
the odds of both going bad at the same are ? Fall back and regroup. Fill me in.
--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Coils?
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:06 PM
I finally got a chance to take a break from
himmicane cleanup to look at my bike today. Turns out the coils are dead, or we
don't know how to work a multimeter. I'm fairly confident in my multimeter
skills so I'm going to go with dead coils. Anyone have any recommendations on
aftermarkets or stick with OEM?
-Kyle
-83CB650SC
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