Oh don't tell me you do the needless markups? You know, there's a reason my
'03 taco is still ticking after 240K miles, because I use genuine toyota
parts. But I hate the fact that I can get the parts for 30 to 25% of what i
was originally quoted after pitting the two dealerships against eachother. I
suspect the same is true for this Honda, and I've had success lowering parts
by 60% already. Its possible, but its a hassle. I buy the best parts I can,
I feel cheated by the rediculous markups at the parts counter. I know you
gotta make a buck, but there's a guy at the toyota dealership that gives me
a really decent price each time, I ask for him by name now, he gets all my
commissions, more dealerships should get that message.

-Kyle

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do you think anybody will notice my horns if I wear a baseball cap ?
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:51 PM
>
>
> I knew you had feelings for me, but geez! I'm flattered :)
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> I love you too..
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>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:37 AM
>>
>>
>> Don't worry, my contempt for satan, err, the dealership is directed mostly
>> towards the 300% markup parts counter guys. The fact that they will come
>> down drastically in price so easily when pitted against eachother shows that
>> they're ridiculously marked up. Yeah, we had the tester hooked up to both
>> leads. They ran fine at first, but after running for a while they started to
>> fail. At different intervals ofcourse as one was in worse shape than the
>> other. I too am hesistant to replace parts without making sure that's the
>> part that is bad, I'm also hesitant to break down on a houston freeway
>> during rushhour again. And then there's the ants...
>>
>> -Kyle
>> -Ormiga!
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>>  yeah, I have one of those testers. Did you check the plug cap
>>> resistance? They should be 5~10 meg each. If you examined the schematic for
>>> the bike you will see that the output side of the coils is actually a loop.
>>> In effect, one plug fires from the center electrode and the other from the
>>> ground strap. Both at the same time. One fires on an exhaust stroke while
>>> the other is on a compression stroke. With this in mind, if one plug wire is
>>> off, both cease to function since the loop is broken. Now when the tester is
>>> used by an amateur, it can show a bad component. I don't agree with the jump
>>> start theory but anything is possible. I don't recall ever replacing a coil
>>> set on one of those. The failure rate is below .3%. I have replaced pulse
>>> coils on a fair number of those bikes. Failure is due to heat. Check
>>> resistance of those cold and hot. All I'm trying to do is completely confirm
>>> failed component. If you are satisfied with the results as it stands now,
>>> replace with OEM. One of my guys has a CB650sc with over 38k on it and all
>>> original electrics.
>>> Now I'll duck while all you dealer haters respond.
>>>
>>> --- On *Sat, 9/27/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:32 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> One was just out of specs, the other one had infinite resistance. I then
>>> took it to the local cycle shop that had a fancy ignition coil tester. Nifty
>>> adapter on the end kind of like a dummy sparkplug you could screw in and out
>>> to adjust the gap on the fly. One coil could just barely make a spark at
>>> less than 1/4 inch, the other could spark almost twice that. Both petered
>>> out after a few minutes, after they warmed up. I know the odds of both going
>>> bad are twice as unlikely, but one was definitely worse than the other. That
>>> explains why it felt like my bike was only running on 2 cyls before it
>>> crapped out completely the other day when it was hot. And after a few
>>> minutes cooling off it would run, but again like it was on half its cyls.
>>> Then after I let it set for 30 mins it cranked up and ran on all cyls, even
>>> if it was still missing occasionally. One of the only situations I can think
>>> of that would cause both coils to fail around the same time would be jump
>>> starting off of a running car. I'm afraid that if the previous owner tried
>>> that I may have more than just coil problems. This bike has had ever single
>>> electrical system knackered in some form or another.
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>> -picked up "knackered" from watching TopGear ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> How did you determine that ? Do you know what the odds of both going bad
>>>> at the same are ? Fall back and regroup. Fill me in.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/26/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Coils?
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:06 PM
>>>>
>>>> I finally got a chance to take a break from himmicane cleanup to look at
>>>> my bike today. Turns out the coils are dead, or we don't know how to work a
>>>> multimeter. I'm fairly confident in my multimeter skills so I'm going to go
>>>> with dead coils. Anyone have any recommendations on aftermarkets or stick
>>>> with OEM?
>>>>
>>>> -Kyle
>>>> -83CB650SC
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