Is that *your* return rate less than 1% or your whole shops? At the computer store I was able to keep my personal rate below 1%, but never could convince the other knuckleheads that its easier just to take the time to fix it right hte first time.
-Kyle On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I don't. The parts manager does. I have worked in the field since 1967 > (Suzuki,Yamaha first) and have been service manager at our dealership- (or > should I say pits of hell ?) since 1972. (three years out to live in Fla) I > won't go into the finances of operating a dealership because at least 95% of > the forum hates our guts. Sometimes it amuses me to read all the back alley > fixes and shortcuts. I do give free advice. As if anybody cares. > Sure, I'm a big OEM person. I have to keep the return rate below 3% ( I > do, less than one) I really don't care what people use for replacement > parts, it's their bike (and their butt). > When I stumbled on to this forum I thought more riders would be interested > in "improving the breed" instead of sustaining it on life support. Guess > again. We have spoke about IT work (to others grumbling) and I do dabble in > IT. I am first an engine builder and tuner. For the most part I man a desk > now. At 64 I look forward to retirement. > > --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils? > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:03 AM > > > Oh don't tell me you do the needless markups? You know, there's a reason my > '03 taco is still ticking after 240K miles, because I use genuine toyota > parts. But I hate the fact that I can get the parts for 30 to 25% of what i > was originally quoted after pitting the two dealerships against eachother. I > suspect the same is true for this Honda, and I've had success lowering parts > by 60% already. Its possible, but its a hassle. I buy the best parts I can, > I feel cheated by the rediculous markups at the parts counter. I know you > gotta make a buck, but there's a guy at the toyota dealership that gives me > a really decent price each time, I ask for him by name now, he gets all my > commissions, more dealerships should get that message. > > -Kyle > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Do you think anybody will notice my horns if I wear a baseball cap ? >> >> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils? >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:51 PM >> >> >> I knew you had feelings for me, but geez! I'm flattered :) >> >> -Kyle >> >> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> I love you too.. >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >>> >>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils? >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:37 AM >>> >>> >>> Don't worry, my contempt for satan, err, the dealership is directed >>> mostly towards the 300% markup parts counter guys. The fact that they will >>> come down drastically in price so easily when pitted against eachother shows >>> that they're ridiculously marked up. Yeah, we had the tester hooked up to >>> both leads. They ran fine at first, but after running for a while they >>> started to fail. At different intervals ofcourse as one was in worse shape >>> than the other. I too am hesistant to replace parts without making sure >>> that's the part that is bad, I'm also hesitant to break down on a houston >>> freeway during rushhour again. And then there's the ants... >>> >>> -Kyle >>> -Ormiga! >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>> >>>> yeah, I have one of those testers. Did you check the plug cap >>>> resistance? They should be 5~10 meg each. If you examined the schematic for >>>> the bike you will see that the output side of the coils is actually a loop. >>>> In effect, one plug fires from the center electrode and the other from the >>>> ground strap. Both at the same time. One fires on an exhaust stroke while >>>> the other is on a compression stroke. With this in mind, if one plug wire >>>> is >>>> off, both cease to function since the loop is broken. Now when the tester >>>> is >>>> used by an amateur, it can show a bad component. I don't agree with the >>>> jump >>>> start theory but anything is possible. I don't recall ever replacing a coil >>>> set on one of those. The failure rate is below .3%. I have replaced pulse >>>> coils on a fair number of those bikes. Failure is due to heat. Check >>>> resistance of those cold and hot. All I'm trying to do is completely >>>> confirm >>>> failed component. If you are satisfied with the results as it stands now, >>>> replace with OEM. One of my guys has a CB650sc with over 38k on it and all >>>> original electrics. >>>> Now I'll duck while all you dealer haters respond. >>>> >>>> --- On *Sat, 9/27/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils? >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:32 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> One was just out of specs, the other one had infinite resistance. I then >>>> took it to the local cycle shop that had a fancy ignition coil tester. >>>> Nifty >>>> adapter on the end kind of like a dummy sparkplug you could screw in and >>>> out >>>> to adjust the gap on the fly. One coil could just barely make a spark at >>>> less than 1/4 inch, the other could spark almost twice that. Both petered >>>> out after a few minutes, after they warmed up. I know the odds of both >>>> going >>>> bad are twice as unlikely, but one was definitely worse than the other. >>>> That >>>> explains why it felt like my bike was only running on 2 cyls before it >>>> crapped out completely the other day when it was hot. And after a few >>>> minutes cooling off it would run, but again like it was on half its cyls. >>>> Then after I let it set for 30 mins it cranked up and ran on all cyls, even >>>> if it was still missing occasionally. One of the only situations I can >>>> think >>>> of that would cause both coils to fail around the same time would be jump >>>> starting off of a running car. I'm afraid that if the previous owner tried >>>> that I may have more than just coil problems. This bike has had ever single >>>> electrical system knackered in some form or another. >>>> >>>> -Kyle >>>> -picked up "knackered" from watching TopGear ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> How did you determine that ? Do you know what the odds of both going >>>>> bad at the same are ? Fall back and regroup. Fill me in. >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/26/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Coils? >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:06 PM >>>>> >>>>> I finally got a chance to take a break from himmicane cleanup to look >>>>> at my bike today. Turns out the coils are dead, or we don't know how to >>>>> work >>>>> a multimeter. I'm fairly confident in my multimeter skills so I'm going to >>>>> go with dead coils. Anyone have any recommendations on aftermarkets or >>>>> stick >>>>> with OEM? >>>>> >>>>> -Kyle >>>>> -83CB650SC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
