Is that *your* return rate less than 1% or your whole shops? At the computer
store I was able to keep my personal rate below 1%, but never could convince
the other knuckleheads that its easier just to take the time to fix it right
hte first time.

-Kyle

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, I don't. The parts manager does. I have worked in the field since 1967
> (Suzuki,Yamaha first) and have been service manager at our dealership- (or
> should I say pits of hell ?) since 1972. (three years out to live in Fla) I
> won't go into the finances of operating a dealership because at least 95% of
> the forum hates our guts. Sometimes it amuses me to read all the back alley
> fixes and shortcuts. I do give free advice. As if anybody cares.
>  Sure, I'm a big OEM person. I have to keep the return rate below 3% ( I
> do, less than one) I really don't care what people use for replacement
> parts, it's their bike (and their butt).
> When I stumbled on to this forum I thought more riders would be interested
> in "improving the breed" instead of sustaining it on life support. Guess
> again. We have spoke about IT work (to others grumbling) and I do dabble in
> IT. I am first an engine builder and tuner. For the most part I man a desk
> now. At 64 I look forward to retirement.
>
> --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:03 AM
>
>
> Oh don't tell me you do the needless markups? You know, there's a reason my
> '03 taco is still ticking after 240K miles, because I use genuine toyota
> parts. But I hate the fact that I can get the parts for 30 to 25% of what i
> was originally quoted after pitting the two dealerships against eachother. I
> suspect the same is true for this Honda, and I've had success lowering parts
> by 60% already. Its possible, but its a hassle. I buy the best parts I can,
> I feel cheated by the rediculous markups at the parts counter. I know you
> gotta make a buck, but there's a guy at the toyota dealership that gives me
> a really decent price each time, I ask for him by name now, he gets all my
> commissions, more dealerships should get that message.
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>  Do you think anybody will notice my horns if I wear a baseball cap ?
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:51 PM
>>
>>
>> I knew you had feelings for me, but geez! I'm flattered :)
>>
>> -Kyle
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> I love you too..
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 9/28/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:37 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't worry, my contempt for satan, err, the dealership is directed
>>> mostly towards the 300% markup parts counter guys. The fact that they will
>>> come down drastically in price so easily when pitted against eachother shows
>>> that they're ridiculously marked up. Yeah, we had the tester hooked up to
>>> both leads. They ran fine at first, but after running for a while they
>>> started to fail. At different intervals ofcourse as one was in worse shape
>>> than the other. I too am hesistant to replace parts without making sure
>>> that's the part that is bad, I'm also hesitant to break down on a houston
>>> freeway during rushhour again. And then there's the ants...
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>> -Ormiga!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  yeah, I have one of those testers. Did you check the plug cap
>>>> resistance? They should be 5~10 meg each. If you examined the schematic for
>>>> the bike you will see that the output side of the coils is actually a loop.
>>>> In effect, one plug fires from the center electrode and the other from the
>>>> ground strap. Both at the same time. One fires on an exhaust stroke while
>>>> the other is on a compression stroke. With this in mind, if one plug wire 
>>>> is
>>>> off, both cease to function since the loop is broken. Now when the tester 
>>>> is
>>>> used by an amateur, it can show a bad component. I don't agree with the 
>>>> jump
>>>> start theory but anything is possible. I don't recall ever replacing a coil
>>>> set on one of those. The failure rate is below .3%. I have replaced pulse
>>>> coils on a fair number of those bikes. Failure is due to heat. Check
>>>> resistance of those cold and hot. All I'm trying to do is completely 
>>>> confirm
>>>> failed component. If you are satisfied with the results as it stands now,
>>>> replace with OEM. One of my guys has a CB650sc with over 38k on it and all
>>>> original electrics.
>>>> Now I'll duck while all you dealer haters respond.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 9/27/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Coils?
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 1:32 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One was just out of specs, the other one had infinite resistance. I then
>>>> took it to the local cycle shop that had a fancy ignition coil tester. 
>>>> Nifty
>>>> adapter on the end kind of like a dummy sparkplug you could screw in and 
>>>> out
>>>> to adjust the gap on the fly. One coil could just barely make a spark at
>>>> less than 1/4 inch, the other could spark almost twice that. Both petered
>>>> out after a few minutes, after they warmed up. I know the odds of both 
>>>> going
>>>> bad are twice as unlikely, but one was definitely worse than the other. 
>>>> That
>>>> explains why it felt like my bike was only running on 2 cyls before it
>>>> crapped out completely the other day when it was hot. And after a few
>>>> minutes cooling off it would run, but again like it was on half its cyls.
>>>> Then after I let it set for 30 mins it cranked up and ran on all cyls, even
>>>> if it was still missing occasionally. One of the only situations I can 
>>>> think
>>>> of that would cause both coils to fail around the same time would be jump
>>>> starting off of a running car. I'm afraid that if the previous owner tried
>>>> that I may have more than just coil problems. This bike has had ever single
>>>> electrical system knackered in some form or another.
>>>>
>>>> -Kyle
>>>> -picked up "knackered" from watching TopGear ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How did you determine that ? Do you know what the odds of both going
>>>>> bad at the same are ? Fall back and regroup. Fill me in.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/26/08, Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Kyle Munz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Coils?
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:06 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got a chance to take a break from himmicane cleanup to look
>>>>> at my bike today. Turns out the coils are dead, or we don't know how to 
>>>>> work
>>>>> a multimeter. I'm fairly confident in my multimeter skills so I'm going to
>>>>> go with dead coils. Anyone have any recommendations on aftermarkets or 
>>>>> stick
>>>>> with OEM?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kyle
>>>>> -83CB650SC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group.
To post to this group, send email to [email protected]
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

Reply via email to