I guess the question everyone is thinking (or asking) is why are you here? I can understand the recruiting, but I can't think of any other reason.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Dennis Kane <dkan...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:07:52 PM UTC-7, Isaac Schlueter wrote: >> >> >> The MIT license in node (as well as the MIT and BSD licenses in the >> vast majority of open source node programs) explicitly allows use for >> closed-source commercial applications. If Dennis wants to keep his >> source closed, then that's his prerogative. In fact, he can take all >> the modules we create, and use them in his closed-source proprietary >> thing, so long as he abides by the extremely liberal licenses that >> most of them use. If you think he's wrong about the value of open >> source, or its overblownness, refute it with data. (Or don't, and >> just go back to cranking out awesome open source software.) >> >> > Let's all remember what open source is really all about. A program is > called closed source if it is distributed in binary format only. The open > source movement makes the demand that one cannot distribute a binary > program using, for example, GPL'ed code without also making the source code > available. > > But a server side process has nothing to do with any of this! I am not > distributing the program... I am interested in running a service like > Google (which will hopefully eventually overtake them... but don't tell > anyone I said that). > > Is anyone seriously demanding Google to freely distribute all of their > painstakingly developed search algorithms? Not likely! > > The basic fact is that this thing is the result of years and years of > absolute psychological warfare between me and my computers. And given the > fact that robust NatLang Processing (weak AI) is something of a holy grail > for tech enthusiasts, the stakes in all of this are quite big. > > I am not saying that releasing the code for this won't ever happen. But I > am saying that releasing code is a very major decision that should never be > taken lightly. All I do know is that now is not the time. > > But I will talk about it. I won't want to give away too many of the > technicals in an open forum, but I will give some of them away to people > who I can trust. And in order to me to be able to trust someone fully, I > have to feel that they actually have an interest in the problems > surrounding NLP. > > The Net is absolutely littered with freely available NLP projects, code > and all . They are just not interesting. But you know what is > interesting? A site with a lone input box on a white background with a > snazzy, colorful logo above it (sound familiar?) that "just works" as > advertised. I want to get something like that on the site pretty soon. > > Now that I'm pretty well done with the hair-pulling aspects of my coding, > I can start having fun with putting variety into the thing (giving it the > "wow factor"). Different kinds of words, statements, sense checking, etc. > This kind of stuff should not be very difficult for any competent > programmer. > > That's what I really want to start getting on the same wavelength with > people around here. Stop thinking that this thing has to be some kind of > end-all-be-all killer app from the outset. I mean, there are so many > things to be done. I want to be able to translate natural ways of > referring to time points (last week, the day after tomorrow, etc) into > their precise Unix timestamps. Not very difficult work, but it's something > that really should start getting worked on. > > I really feel that this thing could give quite a few of you out there a > comfortable living. This could open up totally new vistas of the tech > sector. This has the potential of going places pretty quickly, and the > earlier that people get in on it, the greater the potential for reward. > > > Dennis, since you came here ostensibly trying to raise interest among >> other developers (and have been mostly successful, reading through the >> thread), I would suggest re-thinking your approach somewhat. I'm not >> talking about what's right or wrong, merely what's effective. Many >> people come to a project like Node.js because they feel strongly about >> open source software. If your goal is to recruit them, you should >> think about the effects that your words have. If you want to recruit >> developers who *aren't* passionate about open source software, then >> you're in the wrong place. >> >> I've already been told more than once to rethink/change my approach. > Seriously? I mean, let's get serious here. The only time I get snarky is > when people get pushy with their demands to just hand out something that > has resulted from years of torment. This just is not any old program. It > just isn't. Period. > > Again, I have to reiterate that there is a vast difference between the > philosophy of open source as espoused by Eric Raymond, Richard Stallman and > company and the reality of people actually opening up source code in order > to actually *improve* it. Please someone break open the source for emacs > right now and make it better. I dare you. My philosophical views are > always changing. Conservative, liberal, whatever, blah blah. I'm just not > dealing with any of it now. This is a huge technical challenge. That's > all. At this point, I don't care if you sit in trees for months on end to > save them from getting cut down or if you are a dues paying member of the > NRA. 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