The promise of eternal paradise in exchange for defending a religion is the cultural evolutionary equivalent of big teeth or having lots of babies. Those will be the religions that prosper.
If I invented a religion I'd really go to town on what awaits people who do a good job in spreading the word or killing infidels. On 4 May 2011 09:48, Rog & Reet <rognr...@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Could be white raisins, could be a chilled raisin drink. > > Sure to be sects following both scenarios and been engaged in a ferocious > fight over who’s right for the past 1400 years. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Jeremy Tonks > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 May 2011 9:10 AM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Don’t be surprised if Rog finds himself ‘physically compromised’ if he > keeps up this kind of dangerous talk. Haven’t you heard of Salmon Rushdie? > > > > Thanks Rog – I hadn’t heard that they were ‘white’. I was familiar with the > ‘raisins’ part. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rog & Reet > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 May 2011 9:01 AM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > The “wagonload of virgins” is a mistranslation according to some. > > Read in a Francis Wheen book that it was instead “white raisins”, another > source says they’re angels. > > Don’t know if you’re allowed to root them, the angels, or even if they’ve > got the equipment for a root. > > If they have and you can root them could they all fit on the head of a pin > while you’re at it? > > > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 May 2011 8:31 AM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > The problem here is that we see him as evil and needing to be punished, but > a billion people believe he is a martyr and will go straight to paradise to > nail a wagonload of virgins. (Pity the poor virgins) > > > > I presume the statement about him being unarmed, which suggests he could > have been taken alive, is to make sure that he didn't die "in jihad" and so > aid his martyr status. > > On 3 May 2011 22:16, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > > Elation re the end of OBL betrays our intrinsic conviction: justice is > good. A God who doesn't punish all evil cannot ultimately be trusted. > > Top of Form > > Including our own evil. So elation at the judgment of others must be > tempered with fearful awe that we ourselves are spared. > > Bottom of Form > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rog & Reet > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 5:20 PM > > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Bloody hell Jeremy, that has me more confused than the weirdest of Mick’s > subs. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Jeremy Tonks > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 3:53 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > My problem is that there is only one God. He is the creator of everything > and everyone. No one misses out and no one gets special favours. > > God is not angry with Muslims for not being Christians just as he is not > giving Marcus special favours for living in a Christian country J > > > > The issue becomes something like: Does God as the maker of the universe > have the right to make the rules? > > > > The rules are simple. Trust God absolutely as the giver of life and light… > or die in the dark. > > > > That’s where my own personal problems become apparent. I haven’t trusted > God absolutely so I deserve to die in the dark. > > > > > > God, knowing what human beings are (he made us) and being eternally Father > and Redeemer, sends his Son into the world. The Son becomes the man Jesus > who suffers what we deserve (actually suffers because we have rebelled > against our creator). If we trust Jesus as Saviour AND as Lord – the one we > actually follow, then we become sons of the Father (that means having all > the rights of the sons of the king forever). > > > > God is angry with those who seek to put themselves in the place that is his > alone. Jesus takes that anger upon himself. Those who trust Jesus actually > die (by faith) so that the penalty has already been exacted (dead people > can’t die). While ever I trust Jesus I don’t have to worry about all the bad > stuff that I’ve done (and there is some there don’t worry about that!). > There is no one who is perfect. No one who deserves to be right with God > (except Jesus who gives that ‘right’ness to us as a gift). > > > > Just going to duck for a while again… > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Marcus Chantry > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:02 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > I don’t think that you, I or anyone else that doesn’t believe has any right > to expect to receive protection from someone/something that they don’t > believe in. It’s like expecting to win the lottery without buying a ticket. > > > > As an atheist I’ve chosen to believe that I’m responsible for my own > destiny and that it’s up to me to make decisions and face crisis without any > guidance or assistance from any form of God or higher spirit. As such I > don’t hope to benefit from the good fortune or otherwise of the people who > do believe (except to benefit from public holidays). > > > > Maybe we should switch to politics? > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 1:54 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Some good points raised Marcus. > > > > I think there are plenty in Eastern Europe and South America. As for the > others, you're saying that it's their bad luck to be born in the wrong > country as God is spiteful and will only help believers? > > > > If that's the case, it's a risk practicing any religion isn't it? I mean > suppose the Jehohah's Witnesses are the ones who are right. Jeremy is just > making God even more mad by doing the wrong thing whereas I fly under the > radar. > > > > Does the halo effect of me living in a Christian society/nation mean that I > get the protection afforded to my Christian neighbour whilst also still > being an atheist? I've got a sort of human sheild around me. > > On 3 May 2011 13:38, Marcus Chantry <marcus.chan...@macquarie.com> wrote: > > I’m happy to be corrected but I would suspect that the vast majority of > those 2 million children would not be part of a Christian society/nation, so > the God of which Jeremy speaks is unlikely to help them. That’s not to say > that they don’t have their own ‘spiritual’ leader/icon that may or may not > have let them down. > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 1:18 PM > > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Still, it seems a trifle unfair that two million children worldwide are > forced to work as prostitutes and barely know anything else, when God could > end it all with a wave of the wand. I'm sure even if they knew about Jesus, > it would be of little comfort whilst they are getting beaten and sodomized. > > On 3 May 2011 13:00, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > > I may get to a longer response… but probably not… > > > > The standard argument goes something like: If God is all powerful and all > loving how come there is suffering in the world? > > The basic premise is flawed from my point of view. I’d respond something > like: > > If God is all powerful and all loving and there is suffering in the world > then God must have an important purpose involving suffering. > > > > As in all theological discussions Jesus needs be kept at the centre – and > there he is as soon you raise the issue of suffering. > > > > God’s purposes in creation are centred on Jesus. Jesus’ own suffering, > death and resurrection are the guarantee that, when he returns, death will > have no power and suffering will be ended. Forever. > > > > There’s my briefest theodicy. I can trust God now and into the future > because of what Jesus has done in the past. > > > > I’ll just duck down while you all start shooting… > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:17 AM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > > > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > You'd better give us a run down on your views on theodicy then Jeremy. I > don't think most of us get it. > > On 3 May 2011 09:53, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > > Your lack of experience in these matters is getting the best of you Rog. > You should experiment more. I am convinced that it is very effective (in > important matters!). > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rog & Reet > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 May 2011 7:27 AM > > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > If you blokes had spoken to wiser heads on this list you’d have known that > praying is just like Mick. > > A total waste of time as it’s guaranteed to achieve **** all. > > > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Jeremy Tonks > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 8:12 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > I’ve been going to mass and my prayers aren’t being answered – I think I’ll > go back to being Anglican! > > > > Too cup focussed – and the ^*&%*() opposition is too good (but I did beat > Chelseadrid yesterday - J J > > > > JT > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Steven Millward > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 7:09 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > You can't let the Wombat's drop down to V. It's only bots and newbies in > there. What's gone wrong? > > On 2 May 2011 17:32, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > > Don’t look at me Paul – I suggest you cut out the middleman and talk > directly yourself!! > > > > Marcus is right – the only positive was a point that I hadn’t banked but > (but had publicly hoped for). > > > > It was an away game – this Sunday is huge. But it’ll probably still come > down to a win against Blackburn so that we scramble over Wigan and Blackpool > to survival. > > > > > > A bit disappointed – all my ducks were lining up. Walsall won and only need > a draw to survive. Shrewsbury won and a final win would see them promoted. > Bundanoon Wombats had a shock win and will still be relegated. Wolves…? Glad > I don’t get to watch the tripe they’ve dealt out in recent weeks. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Crowe > > > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 2:45 PM > *To:* nswolves@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > On reflection we were worse than clueless, it was a totally inept and > impotent performance! > > > > I admire some of your continued optimism but my rose coloured glasses now > lie smashed on the floor. Time to wake up to the reality that we are going > down, only a miracle can save us! Over to you Jeremy! > > > > Paul Crowe > > Sales Manager - Asia Pacific > > > > ConTech (Sydney Office) > > > > PO Box 3517 > > Rhodes Waterside > > Rhodes NSW 2138 > > Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 > > Mob: 0406009562 > > Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com > > Website: www.contechengineering.com > > > > *From:* nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Taylor > *Sent:* Monday, 2 May 2011 2:09 PM > *To:* Wolves > *Subject:* RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > > > > Has he ever taken off Henry? I don't think I've ever seen him subbed. Would > like to have seen Henry subbed by Guedioura on 65 mins last night. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:25:57 +1000 > Subject: [NSWolves] Team for Albion > From: millward....@gmail.com > To: nswolves@googlegroups.com > > My choice: > > > > --------------------Henessey------------------------- > > Foley----Stearman----Craddock----George > > Hunt---Guedioura---O'Hara---Milijas---Jarvis > > ---------------------Fletcher---------------------------- > > > > > > Chance of it being picked: > > > > 0% > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way and should destroy any copies. Macquarie does not guarantee > the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions > expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of > Macquarie. > > > > -- > > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > > -- > Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? > A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. > -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
