OS PnP Install or something like that? I seem to recall that set of settings being mentioned in the last couple of months in relation to a similar issue.
On Jan 8, 2008, at 21:20 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > We currently have dozens of servers running all flavors of 32 bit OS > and we see the full 4 GB give or take a few meg depending on the > manuf. > > I have seen servers only show 3.5 and its always been a BIOS setting > in our case that I remember. > > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:57 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Glen, > > You don’t mention whether you are running x64 or x86 edition of > Server 2003. > > Also, depending on the hardware you have the device you might only > “lose” accesss to a few MB of RAM (or maybe none at all). My HP > ML330 only loses about 60MB, so instead of 4096 it reports 4036, > which looks very similar to 4GB of RAM. > > But you can disagree all you like – you’d still be wrong :-) > > Please read the memory management whitepaper I posted earlier if you > ‘d like all the details. Alternatively, just read the blog posts > from Raymond Chen’s blog if you want some quick information. > > Cheers > Ken > > From: Glen Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 8:09 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > I respectfully disagree here. > See my previous post. Dell 2950 with Win2k3 R2 STD and it uses all > 4gig. > As a point of reference, did you have 4 gig in when the OS was > installed? > > From: Krishna Reddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:56 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > I have the same issue with an IBM x346 with 4 GB of RAM. I do > believe that Ken is right and that you lose that memory unless you > are using Enterprise or x64 version of Standard. > > Krishna Reddy > IT Manager > Nucomm, Inc. > > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:16 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > Trying to get a call into M$ right now, to settle this matter, > figures looks like the powers that be didn’t update the support > contract.. Sigh. Why do I put myself thought this nonsense. > > Z > > From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:58 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Not meaning this towards you Ken, but that just seems like > nonsense. Another reason not to like Microsoft. The literature on > Server 2K3 Standard says you can use 4GB of RAM, and yet, they hard- > coded a limit below that? Typical… > > Joe Heaton > > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:06 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Nothing is going to change. You are running Windows Server 2003 > Standard Edition x86. This has a built-in limitation (in the code) > which prevents Windows using addresses beyond 0xFFFFFFFFF > > If you are using x86, put Enterprise Edition on there (with /PAE). > Or put x64 Standard Edition on there. > > The limitation you are running into is hard coded into the OS. > > Cheers > Ken > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 1:01 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Bingo, > > That is what I was looking for. I will follow up and try out the / > PAE switch and see if anything changes. I take that my previous post > with the boot.ini settings is the correct usage of the /PAE switch. > > Z > > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:56 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Some says that it's because the BIOS reserves 512MB "physical" > address space just below the 4GB line and put the real 512MB RAM > above the line. Thus only the PAE kernel sees that 512MB RAM. > This isn’t a correct explanation of what you are seeing. > > The BIOS doesn’t reserve “RAM”. PCI (and PCI-X and PCIe) devices can > reserve memory addresses. These overlap with addresses that the > Windows OS uses. The BIOS has masked these addresses, making the > unavailable to Windows to address the physical RAM. > > The use of the /PAE switch enables three layers of page tables to be > used. If you are familiar with B-trees in databases, you’ll be > familiar with the concept of tables of tables of pages of memory (3 > layers). Without PAE you only get tables of pages (two layers). The > extra layer of tables makes available a whole set of addresses that > wouldn’t otherwise be available. These addresses can be used to > address the physical RAM that Windows can’t otherwise get to. > > Cheers > Ken > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 12:41 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > Ken, > > re: Myth: PAE increases the virtual address space beyond 4GB > Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:05 AM by timchen > There is one thing quite interesting about /PAE. On some machines > with 4GB RAM installed, Task Manager shows only 3.5GB physical > memory. However, if you switch to the PAE kernel, all 4GB is shown. > > Some says that it's because the BIOS reserves 512MB "physical" > address space just below the 4GB line and put the real 512MB RAM > above the line. Thus only the PAE kernel sees that 512MB RAM. > > I'm not sure if the explanation is true or not, but the symptom is > confirmed. > > > EZ > > From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:24 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > There is no such limit using a 32bit Windows OS. What you observe is > a practical average given modern hardware. But I have a HP ML330 in > my house that “loses” about 64MB of memory when using standard > Windows Server 2003 x86 edition, not ~600MB. > > Read the links and comments from: > http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/22/218527.aspx > > Or buy/read the Windows Internals book by Mark Russinovich/David > Solomon > > Or read the articles on memory management here: > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/kernel/wmm.mspx > (the memory management whitepaper is well worth reading) > > This seems to come up every Rnd() months on this list :-) > > Cheers > Ken > > From: Jeffrey Showen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2008 12:14 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: HP DL380 G5 and Win2k3 R2 Standard not showing maximum > memory in OS > > > I thought a 32-bit OS was limited to 3.4GB of RAM unless you use the > Physical Address Extensions in the boot.ini file. The file is a > protected file in the root of C:\ (or whatever your boot partition > is) so you will need to unhide protected OS files onder folder > options. Open boot.ini with notepad and add the /pae switch to the > end of the last line (starts with "multi(0) disk(0)rdisk"... etc) > and then reboot. You should then be able to see all your memory. > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. 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