I was going more for a weaksauce vibe actually. :) DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot I think he meant most polite flame ever... On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Don Ely <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If you think this is the "worst flame ever", you should go check some archives... :) On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Damien Solodow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: <ComicStoreGuy> Worst flame ever... </ComicStoreGuy> I realize that you likely feel that people are being harsh with you, but consider this. This is a user community for sysadmins; and sysadmins are generally expected to be at least mid-level IT people. The kind of questions and responses we have been seeing from you are what most of us would expect from a user (and honestly a pretty non-tech savvy one) rather than someone in our field of expertise. It would be like spending an evening at your favorite Irish bar and having some frat boy come in and start loudly asking for and extolling the virtues of PBR. :) DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033<tel:317.447.6033> (office) 317.447.6014<tel:317.447.6014> (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE -----Original Message----- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot And some of you guys on here are just professional jerks! From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well "anything" covers a lot of ground Gary, and I don't think that's fair. - WJR On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50, Gary Slinger <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: You prove your own point. He's not a 'professional' anything. ________________________________________ From: William Robbins <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:44 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot I would submit that you should, as an "IT professional" have an idea of costs because you may be asked by "management" to provide that information for budgetary planning... Or you could submit a blind post here and hope someone does your research for you...again. - WJR On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Honestly, I have not looked at the cost of a new desktop system lately as I know that management is not going to approve the purchase of one. From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot What was supposed to be shocking exactly? That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't have a spare $2500? - WJR On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. I haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock value. :D From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." - WJR On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad core with 8GB of RAM.... On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010 and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time soon. From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job appropriately. But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan whose head seems to be swelling. He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... - WJR On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent workstation. I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that need to be resolved. Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment ________________________________________ From: Steve Ens <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D From: Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. Roger Wright ___ Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided not to automatically reboot the server weekly. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill ________________________________________ From: Andrew S. Baker [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state of the server (e.g. workstation locked). Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis. THAT server has never had any real issues. As for not running the Console remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the previous two issues)? ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.) They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better suggestions? 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