Steve, let me ask you this -- you want to go out and buy a brand new Ferrari, but you know you can't afford it. Are you REALLY going to go to all the trouble of spec-ing it out and pricing it, if you know there's not a snowball's chance in hell of being able to buy it? I seriously doubt it. If/when management wants a price for a new PC, I can get them one in a very short time by going to the Dell Premier website. That at least gets them a very good estimation of what it's going to cost (might be able to knock a few bucks off here and there, but it's pretty close to what it's going to cost.) I, for one, see no need to go through the heartburn of configuring a new desktop machine that Management isn't going to approve.
From: Steve Ens [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Now, now John. As an IT professional, it is probably in your best interest to keep up to speed on these items, the same as it would be to know what the new software/hardware is available. It is our job to know. Even if you can't afford it. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:31 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that management is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even bother looking??? Get real! From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well that bit didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now wearing cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. - WJR On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation with Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of software that would have to be rebought would cost. From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot What was supposed to be shocking exactly? That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't have a spare $2500? - WJR On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. I haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock value. :D From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." - WJR On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad core with 8GB of RAM.... On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010 and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time soon. From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job appropriately. But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan whose head seems to be swelling. He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... - WJR On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent workstation. I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that need to be resolved. Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment ________________________________________ From: Steve Ens <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D From: Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. Roger Wright ___ Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> wrote: Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided not to automatically reboot the server weekly. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill ________________________________________ From: Andrew S. Baker [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state of the server (e.g. workstation locked). Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: I suppose theres no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis THAT server has never had any real issues As for not running the Console remotely, I really dont wish to install it on another machine as its a bit of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just dont like killing off a process just because, and thats what that seems like to me. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the previous two issues)? ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.) They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better suggestions? 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