Don, Im sorry you feel like that, but SOME PEOPLE CAN'T READ!!!
From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Now we are into name calling? Very professional on a very public list. On Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM, "John Aldrich" <[email protected]> wrote: > What part of "NO FREAKING BUDGET" do you not understand??? Give me a break, > idiot! > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:37 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > I would submit that you should, as an "IT professional" have an idea of > costs because you may be asked by "management" to provide that information > for budgetary planning... > > Or you could submit a blind post here and hope someone does your research > for you...again. > > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21, John Aldrich <[email protected]> > wrote: > Honestly, I have not looked at the cost of a new desktop system lately as I > know that management is not going to approve the purchase of one. > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > What was supposed to be shocking exactly? > > That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't > have a spare $2500? > > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <[email protected]> > wrote: > Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. I > haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock value. > :D > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." > > - WJR > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: > $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad core > with 8GB of RAM.... > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> > wrote: > Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I > mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010 > and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a > 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is > going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time > soon. > > From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've > listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job > appropriately. > > But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll > understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan whose > head seems to be swelling. > > He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... > > - WJR > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <[email protected]> > wrote: > I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is > a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a > VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my > system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes > dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet > browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically > underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent > workstation. > > I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time > and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as > much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load > of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if > your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few > management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its > memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that > need to be resolved. > > Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv > Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any > moment > ________________________________________ > From: Steve Ens <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich > <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole > bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D > > > From: Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from > my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. > > > Roger Wright > ___ > Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> > wrote: > Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> > wrote: > Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. > Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I > want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided > not to automatically reboot the server weekly. > > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that > seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, > by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill > ________________________________________ > From: Andrew S. Baker [[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console > down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your > only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages > the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state of > the server (e.g. workstation locked). > > Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich > <[email protected]> wrote: > I suppose theres no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis > THAT server has never had any real issues As for not running the Console > remotely, I really dont wish to install it on another machine as its a bit > of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just dont like killing off a > process just because, and thats what that seems like to me. > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? > > > B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? > > C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the > previous two issues)? > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich > <[email protected]> wrote: > I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server > to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have > to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt > support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the > console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.) > They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better > suggestions? 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