Still pretty mild... lol! On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Gary Slinger <[email protected]>wrote:
> Stuff I'd say with my boss standing there? > > OK. > > You're an idiot. A petulant, spoiled, lazy, incompetent little waste of > oxygen with absolutely no competence, ability, or demonstrated capability of > facility in or for the field of IT. You're an ignorant little ponce that > openly abuses people that CAN do the job you profess to do. You claim to be > an "IT Manager"? I wouldn't hire you as a "Junior trainee SysAdmin". > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Aldrich < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is an open list. I specifically restricted myself to "work >> appropriate" >> language. If it's something you wouldn't say with your boss standing >> there, >> then I don't put it on paper/email/whatever at work. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Damien Solodow [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:43 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> <ComicStoreGuy> >> Worst flame ever... >> </ComicStoreGuy> >> >> I realize that you likely feel that people are being harsh with you, but >> consider this. This is a user community for sysadmins; and sysadmins are >> generally expected to be at least mid-level IT people. The kind of >> questions >> and responses we have been seeing from you are what most of us would >> expect >> from a user (and honestly a pretty non-tech savvy one) rather than someone >> in our field of expertise. >> >> It would be like spending an evening at your favorite Irish bar and having >> some frat boy come in and start loudly asking for and extolling the >> virtues >> of PBR. :) >> >> DAMIEN SOLODOW >> Systems Engineer >> 317.447.6033 (office) >> 317.447.6014 (fax) >> HARRISON COLLEGE >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:34 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> And some of you guys on here are just professional jerks! >> >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:04 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> Well "anything" covers a lot of ground Gary, and I don't think that's >> fair. >> >> >> - WJR >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50, Gary Slinger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> You prove your own point. He's not a 'professional' anything. >> ________________________________________ >> From: William Robbins <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:44 -0500 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> I would submit that you should, as an "IT professional" have an idea of >> costs because you may be asked by "management" to provide that information >> for budgetary planning... >> >> Or you could submit a blind post here and hope someone does your research >> for you...again. >> >> - WJR >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21, John Aldrich <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >> Honestly, I have not looked at the cost of a new desktop system lately as >> I >> know that management is not going to approve the purchase of one. >> >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> What was supposed to be shocking exactly? >> >> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't >> have a spare $2500? >> >> - WJR >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. >> I >> haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock >> value. >> :D >> >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Same here. But we don't >> shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." >> >> - WJR >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: >> $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad >> core >> with 8GB of RAM.... >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I >> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office >> 2010 >> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a >> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is >> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time >> soon. >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Just a thought...perhaps >> you need a new workstation if those things you've listed tax it's >> resources >> to the point that you can't do your job appropriately. >> >> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll >> understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan >> whose >> head seems to be swelling. >> >> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... >> >> - WJR >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook >> is >> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have >> a >> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my >> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot This I don't understand, >> running of management tools on (sometimes >> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and >> internet >> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically >> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent >> workstation. >> >> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup >> time >> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as >> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a >> load >> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But >> if >> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few >> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its >> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues >> that >> need to be resolved. >> >> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv >> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any >> moment ________________________________________ >> From: Steve Ens <[email protected]> >> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Better on a workstation >> than on a server is all I can say. >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole >> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D >> >> >> From: Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Agreed. I can run the >> VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from my desktop machine >> instead. It's rarely open on the server. >> >> >> Roger Wright >> ___ >> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. >> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I >> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided >> not to automatically reboot the server weekly. >> >> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that >> seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, >> by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill >> ________________________________________ >> From: Andrew S. Baker [[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well, if they (app >> vendor) >> offer no programmatic way to shut the console down, and they (app vendor) >> are suggesting that you kill the task, then your only other alternative >> will >> be an application that programmatically manages the dialog boxes. This >> approach will likely be complicated by the state of the server (e.g. >> workstation locked). >> >> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... >> ASB >> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled >> basis. >> THAT server has never had any real issues. As for not running the Console >> remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a >> bit >> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a >> process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me. >> >> >> >> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? >> >> >> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? >> >> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the >> previous two issues)? >> ASB >> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. On Tue, Jul >> 26, >> 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server >> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have >> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with >> Sunbelt >> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the >> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's >> non-interactive.) >> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better >> suggestions? 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~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> > > > -- > Gary K. 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