Sorry, I failed to follow the thread correctly. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
Me sour grapes? About getting a degree no? I'm glad I did it, and have absolutely no regrets. I said it opened doors to me, didn't I? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown <jbr...@webcoindustries.com<mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com>> wrote: Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on. I had a boss who said it this way, "the degree proves he/she can finish something". There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding employee, at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point out that degrees or certs don't guarantee competence. Anyone who's done IT for more than a few years can provide additional examples, probably good AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs). Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to have competence.. sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! That isn't my observation. On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul <pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote: > A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained certain > literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are useful in the > workplace. > > > > From: Jonathan Link > [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT - ugh! > > > > Going to college opens doors. And it almost doesn't even matter what the > degree is in. I think it's like a secret handshake. It says "I can navigate > a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a series of tasks without close > supervision." > > > > I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious. I had > doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a degree (my degree > is not in IT, but in accountancy). > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum > <david....@nwea.org<mailto:david....@nwea.org>> wrote: > > "This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." > > Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess > the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? > Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking. > > It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we > changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that > kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told > what was really happening. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com<mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: OT - ugh! > > Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a > very large company in Nashville. IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the > process. I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all > of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college > degree. This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." > > I then took MBS' advice and went solo. I say screw FTE! :) > > > Carl Webster > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net<mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net>] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >> >> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very >> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact >> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER >> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, >> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can >> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied >> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I >> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds >> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch >> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best >> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also >> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it! >> >> Murray >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Hill > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> I feel for you. >> >> But try and look at this way. If they can't see the value you can >> offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were >> employed by them. >> >> You are better off with an employer that shares your values. >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com<mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com>] > >> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >> >> "Because we feel you are not diversified enough to address our issues." >> >> Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no >> project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff >> treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop >> the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), >> I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop >> the fires (also gave >> details.) >> >> I guess they rather have the fires... >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman >> <drkuhl...@yahoo.com<mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com>> >> wrote: >> > That makes no sense - why do they care where yo > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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