I admittedly deaned a whole slew of messages from here...  fortunately I didn't 
miss the real important stuff about BBQ sauce or the one about Bruce Wayne 
masquerading as an IT guy with an anonymous gmail account.

 If this was common knowledge, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned a week or two 
ago when the slow msg delivery was such an issue.

That having been said... I maintain it's  rather funky licensing model. License 
via CPU core, membership size, total # of lists, etc..., that seems to be more 
a more reasonable method that most  vendors that sell mail servers, databases, 
etc... follow.

That would be like MS licensing Exchange not on total number of mailboxes, or 
store size, but the number of messages your server could send in any given hour.

-sc

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Good SBS list

Sunbelt/GFI posted some time ago about the Lyris situation (please try to keep 
up).  It's due to a licensing change in the newer version of Lyris, and they 
didn't want to pay the higher price to unthrottle message delivery.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Good SBS list

>  Again, the issue is rate limiting (messages per time) in the Lyris
software.  Adding more computrons won't make it go faster.

That's what I find odd. You described it as " an artificial limit". And I 
assume that if The Powers that Be are suggesting that's the cause it's not a 
configurable parameter.

Not a very "commercial grade" feature if it can't be changed and it's 
ham-stringing your 16-core 32GB server sitting behind a 100Mb metro-ethernet 
link...[1]

But then again: "Friggin' Lyris".

-sc

[1] Specifications not actual size

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Good SBS list

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Steven M. Caesare <scaes...@caesare.com>
wrote:
>>  According to The Powers That Be, the lag is due to an artificial 
>> limit in *messages per unit of time* built-in to Lyris.
>
> I wonder how many people are subbed here?

  According to what Mr. Bittenbender wrote on 2012 JAN 18, NTSYSADMIN then had 
3489 subscribed addresses.

> By a quick reckoning, the high water mark for list msgs last week 
> (including BBQ sauce and Cynicalgeek threads) was about 175 posts.
>
> My little diversion list did somewhere near 450 posts today, which is 
> in near 25K outbound msgs ...

  Well, for the sake of discussion: 175 * 3489 ~= 610K.

  There's also the Exchange list.

> I'm
> running on a  relatively modest VM on modest hardware in the server 
> closet in my basement, but it's hardly even breaking a sweat. I bet I 
> could do 100-200K messages a day without much problem.

  Again, the issue is rate limiting (messages per time) in the Lyris software.  
Adding more computrons won't make it go faster.

-- Ben



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