I've been attempting to use my skill at shutting down threads (they seem to die when I add a comment, especially if it's an OT thread), but apparently it isn't working this time. I think there's enough disagreement to keep this thread going forever. Not all lawyers, bankers, accountants are bad, and we certainly know that not all IT people are great.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Ziots, Edward <ezi...@lifespan.org> wrote: > Humm, > > I think we need deep freeze them like they did in Minority Report, > either that or burn them in boiling motor oil, covered with some lava.. > sinister but effective, until the fear of death is put into some of > these wholly corrupt folks, no reform will come about. > > Bankers aren't much different on the respectable scale than the bottom > feeding Lawyers in my book. > > Z > > > > Edward E. Ziots > Network Engineer > Lifespan Organization > Email: ezi...@lifespan.org > Phone: 401-639-3505 > MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:59 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > > I agree with most of what you're saying, but you know the Trilateral > Commission will never allow the people actually responsible for the mess > to suffer any consequences. Even if they did, the Illuminati would step > in... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:50 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > > > I got a better one, > > Sorry but the folks that are running the banks should be heavily > regulated, and subject to intense auditor scunity, mortage loans for > underwater properties should be modified accordingly, to current > purchase prices, and the %^*(%()_^ banks should eat the losses with the > bailout money they have been given by the govt, instead of buying other > banks, like they been doing, which would help a lot of folks out of bad > mortages made by these banks to folks which fueled this greed and > mortage mess in the first darn place. > > Also Congress shouldn't release another dime of the bailout until there > is over-sight on where the money is going, either that, or the banks > that received the money, there executives go to Federal Prison for > corruption and do a lot of hard time, for there crimes, because every > last one of them are guilty as hell.. > > And there is no such thing as good debt, period, its called debt for a > reason, because you own someone something that you couldn't pay for > right now... > > Z > > Edward E. Ziots > Network Engineer > Lifespan Organization > Email: ezi...@lifespan.org > Phone: 401-639-3505 > MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + > > -----Original Message----- > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:39 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > > I know, its all rather anal at this point - but, I guess my underlying > point here - if I realized I was trying to make one - is that we are > again finding ourselves victims of marketing when we tell ourselves > that there is such a thing as good debt. > > This is the first step in financial behavioral manipulation. > > -- > ME2 > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Michael B. Smith > <mich...@theessentialexchange.com> wrote: > > Urf. > > > > Debt and credit (the use of) are mirror images of the same thing. You > can't > > have one without the other. > > > > Financial gain - financial independence - is about LEVERAGE. You > either > > "stand pat" on what you have, you leverage it, or you lose it. > > > > IMHO. YMMV. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP > > My blog: > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael<http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael> > > I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:14 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > > > > Completely agree. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:06 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > > > > I am not suggesting that debt is not a requirement to an objective in > > many cases. But saying debt is good is beyond me. Credit is good. > > Debt is bad. Debt is not a tool. Credit and leans are tools. Debt > > is a completely negative aspect of finance. > > > > -- > > ME2 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Link > <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Since your objection seems to be based on semantics, can I suggest > that > > some > >> debt is necessary (to achieve a certain goal within certain > established > >> criteria, i.e. buy an affordable house adequately sized to one's > needs) > > and > >> some debt is frivolous (I want the McMansion, supersized, please with > a 1% > >> teaser rate that resets to prime +10 in two years)? > >> > >> Debt is a tool, and like any tool it can be used correctly and it can > be > >> used incorrectly. A careful analysis of the situation is required by > > every > >> user, which was quite rare these last 20 years. > >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr > >> <michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> +1. > >>> > >>> No debt is ever "good debt". That is the banking/credit industry > >>> fooling you. Everything they do is to make money. Not to give you > >>> anything for free *ever*. > >>> > >>> Points? Cash back? Stop fooling yourself. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ME2 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Jim Majorowicz > <jmajorow...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > That last sentence is exactly what got this country into this > mess. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] > >>> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:28 AM > >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Some debt is good debt. > >>> > > >>> > For taxes, you do get to deduct the interest on your mortgage...if > you > >>> > pay > >>> > off your house, you lose that deduction. > >>> > > >>> > Additionally, you now have hundreds of thousands of dollars > sitting > > idle > >>> > in > >>> > your house that you can do nothing with (until you sell it). > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ________________________________ > >>> > > >>> > From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] > >>> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:59 PM > >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > >>> > > >>> > Yes. But we moved to TN back in August and have a mortgage again. > L I > >>> > am > >>> > working on paying it off as fast as possible. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Webster > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] > >>> > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Wow.. did that include the mortgage? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] > >>> > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? (UNCLASSIFIED) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > +6 for Dave Ramsey. Paid off $197,000 in debt in 4.5 yrs. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Webster > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] > >>> > Subject: RE: Would this be good for IT, or what? 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