Hi Carl,

You were the one putting the claim out there. It appears to be unsubstantiated. 
Saying "disprove me, or otherwise I'll continued saying this is the reason" 
isn't a very scientific way of approaching the issue IMHO.

I'd get to know the appropriate people on the Exchange team - maybe via some 
Exchange MVPs or similar and then get some real reasons. That's what I do for 
IIS issues.

Cheers
Ken

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From: Carl Houseman [c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 30 May 2009 12:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Amusing


If I’m wrong, I welcome an informed source to say so and reveal the complete 
and unfiltered decision process for why a working feature with positive 
benefits to many was removed.  Not that that would ever happen of course, 
because an informed source would be prevented from airing anything with 
negative public relations consequences.  In short we'll never know the full 
story.



As for "don’t buy the product if you don't like it", that kind of thinking on 
the part of a vendor results in fewer customers.



Probably they're thinking/hoping that those more impacted - small(er) 
businesses - will migrate to Exchange cloud services hosted by datacenters 
where the cost is reduced.  I'm still suspicious of the whole cloud thing as a 
new way of life, particularly when the connection to the cloud is lost or the 
cloud has an unexpected PEBKAC moment.  Remember Google going offline the other 
day?



http://www.pcworld.com/article/164946/google_outage_lesson_dont_get_stuck_in_a_cloud.html



Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Amusing



"The thing they're eliminating is a

bunch of tricky code the programmers don't like and which needs a lot of

regression testing with each new release."



Do you have any actual information from informed sources on this? Or this just 
your backside driving?



Maybe the code is shared with RIS grovelling which got changed in Win2k8 to SIS 
service. Or maybe there are other challenges to getting it to work. Given 
Microsoft's bending over backwards to keep previous features there, I doubt 
it's just "we don't want a programmer to work on it" - there has got to be more 
to it IMHO. Whether that's analysis of scalability complaints (disk I/O perf in 
current versions of Exchange), analysis of where disk storage is going (disk 
space in the cheap category that has decent I/O - i.e. SATA 2/3 disks that kill 
old SCSI disks) or whatever.



I'd check out www.storagereview.com to see how current SATA2 disks kill older 
SCSI and even SAS disks perf wise. Whilst the argument might not be clear-cut 
right now, in 3/4/5 years time I think the situation will be clear given the 
current trends. You'll be able to buy a 10TB SATA4 disk that will provide 
better IOPS than a current SAS disk for far less cost, and sending a 3MB email 
will be a rounding error in your disk storage calculations.



But, as always, if you don't like it, don't buy the product. And Microsoft may 
change its mind.



Cheers

Ken



________________________________________

From: Carl Houseman [c.house...@gmail.com]

Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 11:44 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Amusing



As for memory/CPU, does eliminating SIS mean lower RAM or slower CPU

requirements for the product?  Doubtful.  The thing they're eliminating is a

bunch of tricky code the programmers don't like and which needs a lot of

regression testing with each new release.  You won't find anyone to admit

that, but it's more than likely a major factor in the decision, with a nod

from the bean counters who are already projecting savings from reduced

staffing.

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