Yeah, gmail is where its at.We have a huge footer/disclaimer that goes out with
every email from my job also.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Link
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: SAN vendors
Uhh...
You can.
Also, you'll notice that several contributors use gmail. Gmail's really good
at handling list traffic. While I use this list for work related things, it
doesn't belong to work. Opinions I share on this list are mine, and are not my
employer's. It also helps with not having to have a huge disclaimer (ours is
largish).
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say "contractually obligated" but I would put it as
"strongly encouraged." I'll try and remember to switch to plain text for this
list. :-) Won't guarantee I'll remember, but I'll try. One thing I like about
my email client at home (Linux) is that I can change certain settings for each
mailing list I'm on, such as when posting to the list, I can choose which email
address to use, etc. I wish Outlook had similar capabilities. :-(
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SAN vendors
Gotcha. So are you contractually obligated to send that swatch as
advertisement through the inter-tubes?
That's one hefty sig line and I've made some doosies myself.
WJR
- from my Crackberry.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
________________________________________
From: "John Aldrich" <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:05:27 -0400
To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
The Sig line is a small picture of one of our carpets. As for staff… the
only staff I’ve ever had got swiped for Claims/Tech.
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SAN vendors
Well that'll do it I reckon.
So did you have staff and they just swept them under the rug? Or did you
inherit a promised team that never materialized?
Speaking of rugs, whilst I'm asking questions, what the hell is that in
your sig line?
WJR
- from my Crackberry.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
________________________________________
From: "John Aldrich" <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:35:40 -0400
To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
I’m the only person in the IT department. ☺
From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SAN vendors
A point of curiosity here if you will...why are you, as an IT manger
playing with SAN equipment? Isn't this a task you can/should delegate?
(Or maybe I've been listening to too many manager-tools.com pod-casts of
late?)
- WJR
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 14:46, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
wrote:
Good point. As I said, I just want something to “play” with to see what I
*absolutely* need…. I have my own dual-CPU (P3/Celeron) motherboard. I should
just need to add a RAID card and some drives and have something to play with.
As for user-count and IOPS, etc. well… my user count is probably about the 75
user mark, and I don’t have anything particularly disk-intensive. Mainly just
file/print/DC/Antivirus/etc. That’s what makes me think I could probably do
what is suggested here and play around with the esxi and the freeware LeftHand
software.
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
Doesn’t sound pretty tbh, main thing is check the ESX HCL. For testing you
may be able to use vmware server or workstation, you’d need to check – OK the
performance will suck but you’ll be able to play with the concepts of the VSA.
Are you thinking of replacing your existing server hardware?
I ask the question as, for example, a pair of Dell R710’s run around $6k
each, stick a VSA on each and your production machines and you’ve got a pretty
cheap cluster.
I’m saying all this without knowing your user count, IOPS, but from how I’m
interpreting your posts I’m reading it as, if I was in your shoes, if I had
$30k I wouldn’t be putting it all into a SAN.
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: 13 September 2010 19:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
Ok…so I have an old dual-CPU machine I can build up as a “test bed.” It’s
old and slow and currently only does PATA. If I got a PCI SATA RAID card, and 3
or 4 SATA 500 GB drives, do you think that would make a decent test machine to
play with?
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
There aren’t many vendors that will do block de-dupe (as a standard
feature) other than Netapp.
Lefthand is nice kit, my biggest reservation (and of course this is not
aimed solely to Lefthand) is that all it does is iSCSI.
The good things are it’s modular, you can tier (SATA and SAS) and as you
add nodes you add redundancy and performance, and of course you get all the
licenses included.
Personally I’d go grab a spare box, slap ESXi on it, download the Lefthand
VSA and give it a try – it’s no different from the hardware SAN and you might
find that it’s an ideal fit for your environment as you can use one or both of
your existing servers rather than having to buy a hardware SAN that you may not
get close to utilizing.
I agree with Jonathan in that it’s very easy to get bogged down when you
don’t have a nailed on set of requirements, you just want to get the best bang
for your buck and you have to spend wisely (I know as I’m in the SAN market
right now).
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: 13 September 2010 18:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
Ok… good questions. I’m looking for about 5 terabytes useable to start. I
probably won’t use half of that immediately, but I can use some of that for
snapshots and growth. As for features, I’m not sure what features are
available, but some I know are available and are interesting to me are dedupe,
ISCSI, snapshots, thin provisioning. Dedupe is in the “nice to have, but not
necessary” category. Performance, well, to start with, this will be mainly an
overgrown file server, but I plan on bringing email in-house, and the IBM rep
suggested I might want to virtualize my two servers and put VMWare on them, as
they are seriously under-utilized right now (our most used server is at like
15% CPU utilization, and that’s running file/print/DC/DHCP/DNS/antivirus on the
one box.) The IBM rep’s suggestions sound good, as far as virtualizing the
servers, but not until I have a SAN in place. ☺ Anyway, WRT the SAN, it will
likely be the place where the virtualized DCs are stored, but they will be
running off the existing hardware. The email will likely be Kerio Connect
(pretty much guaranteed, if I have anything to say about it) and I don’t think
it uses a database. I talked to a Kerio rep last week and he assured me that
having the mail store on a SAN is very well supported, so I have no qualms
about that. Between redirecting people’s “My Documents” folders to the network
(and by that, I mean a SAN) and email, I expect to use up ½ to 2/3 of the
proposed 5 Tb.
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN vendors
John, what do you need? Capacity? Expansion? Features (now and
potentially future)? Performance?
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: 13 September 2010 17:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SAN vendors
Ok, I’m still in the market for a SAN. I got an IBM rep trying to sell me
one of their SANs (rebranded LSI Logic) and I have an HP vendor trying to sell
me a LeftHand. On the one hand (no pun intended,) the LeftHand comes with
pretty much everything I would ever want built-into the price. On the other
hand, the IBM is a dual-controller unit and I can just add drives as I need
them where with the LeftHand I’d be adding intelligence each time I upgraded.
There are pros and cons to each. I think both are similarly priced (although
the LeftHand solution may be a bit more expensive up-front.)
Not trying to start a flame war here, but I’m getting overwhelmed here… If
both had similar capabilities, what would you recommend here? Anyone else I
should be looking at in the “Budget SAN” range (<$30K for one SAN, including
setup, maintenance, etc.)
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