I've got some of that myself, and VoIP still works. I would still make sure it is certified as CAT 5, even if it doesn't meet 5e spec.
If you don't have a certifier, you can probably get a demo unit (Fluke, Ideal, or Agilent) from your local supply house, such as Graybar, for a few days. Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse brevity & any misspellings. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Evan Brastow" <ebras...@automatedemblem.com> Date: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 7:06 am Subject: Switch opinions To: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Well, the one little issue is that the cabling was put in in 1995 and is Cat 5, not Car 5e :( -----Original Message----- From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Switch opinions AS much as I prefer Cisco (IOS) over Procurve, I would agree. HP support on the HP 4000 (for me at least) has been excellent, when I have had to call them. On another note, you should NOT have to physically separate your voice and data traffic. As long as you can separate via vlan and 802.1q qos, you SHOULD be fine if you're running 100M Fdx (I can't remember how much the 4000 can do, so it is possible that may be your bottleneck, from a configuration standpoint - not sure). I'm running ALL of my phones on the same cabling as my PCs and printers - data is either vlan1 or vlan10, and voice is vlan11. I'm running Mitel 3300 ICP, and I have PCs, Laptops, and even a printer plugged into the back of these phones, with one CAT5e cable to the desktop. My switchports are setup trunk, with native vlan 10, but allowed vlans 10 & 11. This way I can plug my PCs into ANY port, and they simply work. I can also plug my phones into any port, and they simply work. If I plug a phone into the back of the phone, the PC gets a PC IP Address, but the phone gets a voice IP Address. This makes troubleshooting a tad nbit easier, IMHO. If you're having issues, I would look at switch vlan & qos configuration, DHCP Options, and cabling infrastructure quality (is it CERTIFIED?) before adding a second cable drop to every desk. Just my $0.02 YMMV. Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com<http://www.eaglemds.com> -----Original Message----- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Switch opinions Have you called HP to ask them if they can help? If it's their switch, I'm sure they would be happy to figure out why it's causing you to loose traffic. Perhaps it's something simple, and a quick call for support can get you taken care of. Feel free to go for Cisco if you want, but I would spend the time with HP to try and resolve this issue. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:00:36 -0700 Subject: RE: Switch opinions > Hi guys, > > Thanks to everyone for their opinions. I really appreciate it. > > The switch will handle VoIP traffic - we currently have an Allworx system, > but the voice quality is fairly poor. We're thinking of separating out the > wiring out and running a separate switch for the Allwork system and the > computers. > > The reason I'm looking to replace the current HP ProCurve 2810 is that we > recently purchased a new SonicWALL NSA 2400 firewall and put in place of our > old Netscreen 5GT. However, when we did, the ProCurve seemingly started > shutting down the LAN side of the SonicWALL port. This happened again and > again. My consultant and I could not figure out what's going on, and they've > been here 4 times working on it - probably have spent 15 hours on the > situation. As soon as we put the Netscreen back in place, it's fine. Then, > the consultant brought in an unmanaged 3Com switch and we put it in place. > At that point, things ran fine. The port was not being shut down and > everything seemed to work. Our consultant is more familiar with Cisco > switches than HP, but said he had never seen a situation like this before. > So, I'm just looking to replace the switch with a Cisco. We keep having to > put the Netscreen back in place because once we put the SonicWALL in with > the HP switch, all heck breaks loose. > > Again, thanks for your opinions :) > > Evan > > From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:40 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Switch opinions > > It is going to be interesting to see how the whole Cisco/HP > Networking/Server thing is going to pan out ultimately. My understanding was > that HP & Cisco had kind of a friendly agreement to stay out of each others' > spaces for a while there, but now that HP has entered the server arena going > head to head against HP and everyone else, it will be interesting to see if > HP steps up their networking game... > > > Jonathan L. 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If you have received > this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and > permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout > thereof. > > > "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle" <jra...@eaglemds.com> wrote on 09/14/2010 01:20:16 > PM: > > > We've used the Catalyst family since the 3500 series (3512 & 3524) > > back in 2001. We've used the 3550, 2950, 3560 & 3750/3750G. In the > > last year, we've replaced everything with all PoE, 3560-48, 3750-24,& > 3750-48. > > > > I like them, personally, but they are expensive and don't have a > > lifetime warranty like the HP line - SmartNET is not inexpensive, > > either. I have used ProCurve (2424M & 4000M). I've also worked with > > 3Com & D-Link, but can't remember the specifics on either - for D- > > Link, it was their "high-end" gear, if D-Link has such... > > > > What do you need in a managed switch, aside from being able to look > > at port statistics? Do you have vlan and qos needs? Is VoIP in your > > environment (or in your future? - if so, whose VoIP product do you > > use or think will you use?) > > > > Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE > > Technology Coordinator > > Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA > > jra...@eaglemds.com > > www.eaglemds.com<http://www.eaglemds.com> > > > > From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:32 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Switch opinions > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm looking at replacing my HP ProCurve switch and am looking at a > > Cisco Catalyst 2960S-48TS-S 48 port managed switch. Anyone have any > > experience with this switch or this family of switches? 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